Yet Another Obamacare Tax Due to Hit Businesses, Consumers Soon

(Quin Hillyer, Liberty Headlines) Even if Congress can’t repeal and replace Obamacare, policy specialists are insisting Congress can and should find a way to ward off one particular Obamacare tax that otherwise will take effect on Jan. 1, 2018.

Unless Congress acts, Obamacare’s rules will apply a “Health Insurance Tax” (HIT) of between 4 and 6 percent on every health plan, other than self-insurance, sold in America. Critics have urged Congress for months to use various legislative vehicles to repeal or at least delay the tax, but so far Congress has not been able to make a repeal or delay fit in to any one bill.

The HIT was originally slated to take effect several years ago, but Congress delayed it several times, most recently in a government-funding bill President Barack Obama signed in 2015.

PREVIOUSLY: Republicans Consider Keeping Obamacare Taxes

Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform wrote that “Next year alone, the health insurance tax will total $12.3 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Over the next decade it will result in nearly $145 billion in higher taxes.”

Norquist further wrote: “Any [of HIT’s] costs are passed directly to small businesses that provide healthcare to their employees, and middle class families through higher premiums. The tax even impacts the care received by seniors through Medicare advantage coverage and low-income Americans that rely on Medicaid managed care. According to the American Action Forum, the tax is responsible for premiums increasing by as much as $5,000 over a decade and half of the tax will be paid by those earning less than $50,000 a year.”

Even if insurance companies don’t pass the entire tax directly through to consumers, a group of companies led by United Health publicized a study showing HIT alone would force premium hikes next year of 2.6 percent. And that’s on top of other factors causing huge premium increases in an Obamacare market struggling to stay afloat.

PREVIOUSLY: 6.5 Million Taxpayers Paid $3 Billion in Obamacare Penalties in 2016

According to the respected, ideologically neutral Kaiser Family Foundation, the average number of insurers offering plans in each state already has fallen from 6.7 in 2015 to 5.1 in 2017 – and that number is expected to fall further to 4.6 next year. The HIT will add to those pressures chasing companies out of, and thus destabilizing, the health-care market – leaving even fewer choices for consumers.

Furthermore, the National Federation of Independent Business released estimates that the tax could cause a loss of some 286,000 jobs by 2023.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has met with groups opposed to the HIT, and agreed it is “a bad tax.”

Various complicated rules for the federal budget and for how Congress handles the budget have made it difficult to eliminate the tax without identifying “savings” to offset the “cost” to government of losing the revenues produced by the HIT. The HIT would be one of the many taxes eliminated by every major version of both the House and Senate bills to replace Obamacare this year, but of course that effort, for now, has died in the Senate.

PREVIOUSLY: Conservatives Revolt Over Talk of Keeping Obamacare Tax

And for tactical reasons, House leaders do not want to repeal Obamacare taxes piecemeal – partly because doing so would take away a lot of impetus for replacing Obamacare as a whole, because one of the few, universally popular portions of the “repeal and replace” effort is the lure of cutting taxes as part of the legislation.

A few other legislative vehicles for eliminating the HIT do remain this year, but time is running out.

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  • Naval Lint

    Don’t the Democrats always claim that Obama didn’t RAISE taxes on the Amercan people? Just ANOTHER Democrat lie…..

    • smilee

      No president ever has nor did Obama, congress is the only ones who can under the contitution. Ever heard of that document?

      • therealworld

        Hey smilee, Obama Created Obama Care and the Taxes that came with it. You are an Idiot

        • smilee

          LOL Dumbazz a president can only agree with or oppose what congress creates but no president has ever created a law. It is uncontitutional.

          • Fred_K

            The bum did by modifying parts of thebum’scare.

          • kbmiller

            Fred, I posted that twice. Smilee must be too stupid to understand.

          • Gregg Parker

            You’re right. But then which law authorized the creation of Czars and authorized them budgets, staff, and endowed them with regulatory authority over vast sections of the government.. with no congressional oversight or approval? Executive Orders did that as well as appropriate “funds” from administrative agencies. It is unconstitutional but they did it anyway. Judges making law from the bench is unconstitutional but happens routinely. We are a nation of laws with a government that only uses them when it’s convenient.

          • smilee

            ,LOL I have no idea what you are talking about and it sure is not about the ACA all you gave us is a pack of lies.

          • Gregg Parker

            And I quote: LOL Dumbazz a president can only agree with or oppose what congress creates but no president has ever created a law. It is uncontitutional.

            My response was tailored to “…no president has ever created a law.” The fact you never heard of Obozo’s collection of Czars is something I can’t help with. Your lack of knowledge about such things is an acceptable reason to say you don’t know what I was talking about. Executive Orders became his law making ability while sidestepping congress repeatedly which while unconstitutional continued and created many agencies and budgets which were unconstitutional.
            Next, regarding the judges. I mentioned them because of your concern that only congress creates constitutional law and dumbazzes don’t get that.. I added to the group of folks who make law and it doesn’t get discarded as unconstitutional. 2 examples to help make the point clearer regarding legislating from the bench. Row vs Wade and the President’s ban on immigrants from seven countries. It is illegal for a judge to hand down a decision where anything but an up or down decision is made. If it regards policy they cannot have that be part of their ruling as they did in both instances.
            I usually don’t bother responding to folks who call people dumbazz when they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about but I made an exception. Turns out you don’t know what I was talking about either…

          • smilee

            So you are so stupid you believe all those lies about Obama and all those lies about the court to. Is the reason ignorance, stupitity, racism or all three?

          • Maggie

            Waaa waaa……..

          • You posses all of them.

          • kbmiller

            Smilee is a dumb A $$ racist. Doesn’t bother to find facts. Only regurgitates what BLM tells him. He’s to ignorant to bother with.

          • Gregg Parker

            True. I gave him an opportunity but he’s too young yet to converse with. Perhaps when he starts to shave I’ll try again… perhaps not….thanks!
            TRUMP AKBAR!!!

          • Maggie

            Blah blah blah….Is this all you’ve got?

          • kbmiller

            You moron !!! Look at my post above. OHOMO wrote laws, himself, to correct the mistakes in OHOMO CARE. Don’t you know that? How ignorant are you?

          • 7LibertyForAll

            Very

          • therealworld

            The Democrats made sweetheart deals behind closed doors,and they did what Obetcha said. Your Legal statements are Correct though. I’ll give you that.

          • smilee

            Both parties do that all the time in law makinmg, this was no where near as bad qs GW and the GOP in medicare rivison law of 2004. That is normal lawmaking so clearly you are ignorant of this.

          • therealworld

            No sense trying to have a civil discussion with a narrow minded liberal.

    • Gregg Parker

      Hey brother, smilee thinks you’re a dumbazz! Why have you been hiding behind all those intelligent well thought out positions and comments over the months if you were really a dumbazz?? PS have you ever heard of the Constitution??

      • Naval Lint

        Yup…put my life on the line for it. And what constitutes being a “dumbazz”? Merely because I pointed out something obvious? REALLY?????

        • Gregg Parker

          Just blocked that pinhead. Couldn’t hear “you liar” any more. pages of it… Nothing gets through..

        • Gregg Parker

          I decided to block the fool for my peace of mind…

    • carolbob

      Thank you for your service.

      • Naval Lint

        You are quite welcome.

  • regulus30

    This can be renamed ; “the RINO TAX”. mITCH mCcONNELL OWNS THIS ONE.

    • Louie Rey

      Actually, it should be renamed “The John Roberts Tax” because he made the deciding vote FOR this atrocity. And he’s a CONSERVATIVE!!!

      • smilee

        Congress created the tax. John Roberts did not and congress has that power bestowed on them in the Constitution thus Roberts and the majority enforced congress’s powers and it is the job of the court to uphold and order enforced the constitution and that is all he did was his job. The constitution is neither liberal or conservative it is law and judges must uphold law based on law not their political preference. What you advocate is making law from the bench and that is not the job of the courts and here they did not.

        • Bill Harrison

          Well you are not talking about the ninth circuit court for sure.

          • GymS

            The soon to be dismantled 9th circuit.

          • AKLady

            What is the point of insulting the court?
            If you disagree with a verdict, argue your case like an adult.

        • regulus30

          Roberts rewrote the bill to become a TAX; that is THE only power congress has to force YOU TO PAY IT.

          • smilee

            It is 100% exactly as congress wrote and passed it, Roberts did not change a word! Congress wrote it as a tax. You are so ignorant and have no clue what is in the law but you sure have the alt right propaganda down pat and that is all lies and your response is to.

          • regulus30

            First off shove it asscehole. Roberts did REWRITE THE CRAP TO JUSTIFY the :mandate under the “:commerce clause”, go to Forbes,com/apothecary; then eat your morning meal out of the toilet bowl.

          • smilee

            No he did not and if you has read his opinion you would then know you are lying here. You hold the title of the most despicable deplorable person here. The law still reads 100% the same as when the court received it, Roberts merely said the constitution gives congress the power to enact this law thus it is contitutional and it is. Stupid people like you just cannot figure that out.

          • regulus30

            I gave you the web address that has it all documented; he wrote an opinion, yes, but before that he rewrote the language [he expanded the verbiage] of the bill to justify the mandate under the “commerce clause”; if you can not figure it out then stop bothering me.Go to the site I gave you and READ IT.

          • smilee

            That is not documentation that is personal opinion the court opinion is documentation which I gave you and you refuse to accept as fact. The law congress wrote is still 100% the same since it passed in final form. The alt right propaganda machine created that lie and I guess you are just sucker enough to believe the lie. It is not constitutional under the commerce clause it is constitutional under the enumerations clause one and Roberts made that very clear in his opinion which you clearly have not read or you would know that truth. Go and read the actual opinion if you do you will then know the truth and unless you do you will never know. Why are you not interested in the truth?

          • Why aren’t you interested in the truth? Start with reading the Bible and dumping the fables you believe.

          • regulus30

            “Robertsrewritesobamacare;;;USAtoday/story/opinion/
            2015/06

          • smilee

            Why don’t you look up an read Robert’s opinion as that is the only way to know the real truth which you clearly are not interested in

          • regulus30

            he rewrote the “mandate” in language that made it a tax under the “commerce clause”.

          • smilee

            He did nothing of the sort, read his opinion so you can find out for yourself you are lying. He actually found the mandate under the commerce unconstitutional so your a liar but he found it was allowed under the enumerations clause (it is) and the administration had argued it was constitutional under both. If you were not so ignorant and bullheadly stupid you could and would seek the truth rather than spitting put one lie after another.

          • regulus30

            He rewrote and expanded the language to justify the “mandate” under the commerce clause.

          • regulus30

            Roberts/obamacare@Forbes.com/apothecary; I quote;”he would not have had to rewrite the language had he done what the obama admin suggested and just strike the mandate”; however had they done that it would have made the entire bill UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ROBERTS chose to expand the language to make it legal under the “commerce clause”.

          • smilee

            He rewrote absolutely nothing and if you read his opinion you would know he did not, You write total lies, Why are you afraid to read the opinion itself and find out the real truth? Such stupidity! Roberts said the mandate was unconstitutional under the commerce clause but it was constitutional under the enumerations clause in clause one of the enumerations. The administration had argued it was constitutional under both and Roberts disagreed on the commerce clause and agreed under the enumerations clause and on that basis they majority voted it constitutional.

          • regulus30

            you ignorant liberal fool; everything you just wrote is incorrect; google “Roberts/obamacare”; Forbes .com apothecary. see why there is NO HOPE FOR unity America when the liberal side is ideologically brainwashed?

          • smilee

            Forbes opinion is not the courts opinon and thus not reality as the court opinion itself is all that counts somthing you ignorants just cannot figutre out as your just to stupid. Many disagree with forbes and in this case he is simply wrong as are you.

          • regulus30

            Washingtonpost/…roberts

          • smilee

            I repeat: Why don’t you look up an read Robert’s opinion as that is the only way to know the real truth which you clearly are not interested in

          • AKLady

            I suggest you obtain a better legal education.

          • smilee

            He might try reading the o[pinion also as it is very clear and nothing like you hear those on here say it is.

          • AKLady

            Intelligence found on the blog!
            OMG, call in the media.

          • regulus30

            I suggest you stop being a pompous fool; search ;”Roberts/obamacare@Forbes.com/apothecary”; it stated Roberts “rewrote” the law to justify the required mandate under the “commerce clause”; suck it up fool.

          • AKLady

            Which law school did you attend?
            Well, that is besides your choice of articles in popular media?

          • regulus30

            Resource management; critical thinking.

          • AKLady

            Please increase your reading comprehension.
            You failed to answer the question.

        • kbmiller

          DumbA$$ok RATS paid J. Gruber big bucks to write this POS in such a way as to deceive the public as well as the DumbA$$ok RATS in Congress. Subsequently, OHOMO created unlawful changes to the law in order to keep it afloat. Since you think you’re an expert on the Constitution, tell us, genius, how OHOMO was able to write additional laws, himself, to repair this IDIOTIC Health Care Law. The boneheaded president made law from the White House. Your move.

          • smilee

            What a lying idiot you are as none of what you say is adtually true. You know all that alt right lying propaganda but know nothing at all about the truth. Seek th truth and you will find it but I fear you do not want to know the truth,

          • kbmiller

            You alt left fascists are too stupid to understand what OHOMO did, aren’t you? Too ignorant to know the truth, aren’t you? Whyb don’t you look up , try googling Ohomo changes OHOMO Care law unconstitutionally. You shame your parents, you JACKASS. Don’t bother responding until you look it up and have something intelligent to post and an apology.

          • AKLady

            You are an illiterate, immature cretin.

          • Maggie

            Tsk tsk! Name calling!

          • AKLady

            Nothing immature about the post.
            Do you even understand it?

          • Maggie

            😁😁😁

          • AKLady

            Obviously, you did not understand it.

          • kbmiller

            Maggie, Block that LYING SLOB like the rest of us did.

          • AKLady

            cretin 1779, from Fr. Alpine dialect crestin, “a dwarfed and deformed idiot” of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones, from V.L. *christianus “a Christian,” a generic term for “anyone,” but often with a sense of “poor fellow.”

          • usmcltc

            Calling people names is immature and childish.

          • AKLady

            Cretin is a description, not a name;-)

          • smilee

            OMG such a pile of stupid lying gobblygook, you should b ashamed!

          • kbmiller

            OK you ignorant JACKASS. http://www.nationalreview.com…/twenty seven-obamacare-changes-hartsfeld. 10 of them by the Bonehead in Chief. When I asked how stupid you are, I didn’t expect such a rapid acknowledgement. Yes i did. LOL

          • kbmiller

            Look up the link, you braying JACKASS. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity.

          • Maggie

            I love how you have absolutely no facts EVER to back up all your rants. “You should b ashamed!” Hahaha!

          • Just like you ought to be.

          • Then stop being brainwashed by the left and learn the truth. You can start with the Bible for truth.

          • 7LibertyForAll

            The whole thing is repugnant to the Constitution. It is null and void on its face. Case closed.

          • kbmiller

            I know. smilee is too stupid to look it up.

          • Gregg Parker

            just blocked that parrot. Can’t stand reading “liar liar pants on fire” any more…

          • kbmiller

            Gregg, I have absolutely no idea where AKlady and smilee get their info. I think they’re paid trolls for the Dumb A$$ok RATS to spread LIES and nonsense propaganda. Neither are very bright or educated.

          • Gregg Parker

            From what I’m reading these days they both fit the profile of bots acquiring response information by repeating the same points and gathering the varied responses. For me it just makes mechanical democrats I have to deal with… Block the Bots!! Trump Akbar!!!

          • AKLady

            Sewer language evidences illiteracy

          • carolbob

            AKLady, do you ever have that one right.

          • Gregg Parker

            blocked this pinhead a long time ago… stunningly stupid!

          • AKLady

            Do you ever have that one right?

          • regulus30

            oh my how sophisticated we are. you fool.

          • AKLady

            If you are going to insult America and Americans, please learn to write our language correctly.

          • regulus30

            you are the insult to America.

          • AKLady

            Thank you for proving my point.

          • regulus30

            you mean that you are an idiot.

          • AKLady

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.
            You have, yet agsin, proved my point.
            Maybe you should quit, while you have some semblance of self-respect.

          • Just like you.

          • AKLady

            Suggest you develop some maturity.
            Good night.

          • Like you?

          • smilee

            More freaken lies. Nothing you say is true,.

          • kbmiller

            You’re using the same lame tactics that antifa and the rest of the DumbA$$ok RATS use. Do something amoral and blame your opponents. It won’t work you flaming JACKASS. I gave you the link on Nat Review. Are you too scared to find the truth? Are you aka AKLady? LOL Did you finish high school? Who pays you for your LIES and propaganda? You should stick with sites like MSNBC, CNN, Salon or LGBGTQ. You fit in better there.

          • Prove it.

          • chris VN

            Gruber will be getting his ” come uppence ” very soon, they finally got him on something.

        • 7LibertyForAll

          The whole of ovomit care was/is unconstitutional which makes any “tax” related to it unconstitutional as well–the whole mess is repugnant to the Constitution. Therefore, it is null and void from its inception/writing. There is no “enforcement of the Constitution. This document was created to define what the government’s few responsibilities are, to define how government is set up AND to enumerate a few of the most important rights of the people that were/are inviolate.

          • AKLady

            Congress makes the law.
            You elect Congress.
            Well, that is if you are old enough to vote.
            Name calling is infantile behavior.

          • Maggie

            First of all, Congress passed it unconstitutionally by originating it in the wrong chamber. Secondly, it is unconstitutional because the federal government has no right to run healthcare. That would be the business of the state’s if they so chose. Thirdly, WHERE in the Constitution do you see the federal government having any power to force individuals to purchase anything???

          • AKLady

            The fed has every right to regulate interstate business.
            The fed had every right to tax.

          • Maggie

            Oh, now FORCING every one to purchase a healthcare policy is regulating interstate business. Boy, that sure takes some twisted imagination to come up with that! You sure do sound like a crooked liberal politician. 😆 Btw, if congress wants to tax us, the bill to do so must originate in the House, not the Senate. ( As per our Constitution) Oblamycare did not. Therefore, it would be unconstitutional.

          • AKLady

            Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

            The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

          • Maggie

            You really are beyond help.

          • AKLady

            You really do not care much for either fact or valid law.

          • smilee

            Lies,lies and more lies. And so ignorant as nothing you say ever happened.

          • Maggie

            Look at Article 1, section 7 to see that “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives” which ACA did not. Article 1 , section 8 lays out what powers the federal government has. Nowhere does it mention healthcare. Amendment X (10th amendment) declares that any power not given to the federal government belongs to the states or the people.

          • smilee

            It did originate in the house so what is your point? You lie WHY?? Health care is included within general welfare which the founders left to all current congresses to power to determine the general welfare needs of the country. The tenth makes very clear that if congress has the powers the states do not so the tenth here does not apply as congress has the power. When the congress has the power the states do not. Who brainwashed you or are you naturally ignorant,

          • Maggie

            Blah blah blah….

          • Says the biggest liar on this thread? Ha, ha, ha!

          • Gregg Parker

            Roberts by his vote permitted the mandated federal buying of an insurance policy to be renamed a tax instead of a policy purchase. So when you talk about health insurance you must refer to it as Health Tax policy or you miss the point of his ruling.

          • 7LibertyForAll

            It still comes down to whether the fed parasites can force sovereign people to buy anything. They are our servants. Since when do the servants tell the masters what to do? 🙂 They can buy insurance, I guess, but cannot force people to buy it. Any thinking person knows that the “tax” is punitive and entirely unlawful. Calling a pig by any other name does not make it less of a pig. The courts are illegitimate because they have no jurisdiction. Our common law courts (which people love to dismiss) have been supplanted by their equity/commercial/maritime courts–none of which apply to people. The judges have no right to rule on anything; they are mediators. Period. The judges do not follow their own jurisprudence but make it up as they go along and as they are bribed to do so.

            Then it’s said that health care is a RIGHT. When that is followed to its logical conclusion (not their strong point), the end point is that the health care personnel are their slaves; must do and accept whatever compensation for their services as is dictated. The whole thing is asinine.

            Health Tax policy…yeah, that’s a good one.

            I enjoy your posts/comments.

          • Gregg Parker

            I completely agree again with what you say. Then reality smacks you and you have to admit this doesn’t hold real world water. The usurpation is complete. Yes we have been mandated to purchase a stinking insurance policy. Yes there is a “penalty” for noncompliance and you WILL pay it. No you have to right of appeal.
            Precedence is the course of establishing law used most noticeably by GHWB. He went to the UN for a “coalition” of nations and a resolution to give his administration authorization to wage war. He side stepped Congress and they didn’t impeach him. He later went and got his vote after his resolution and despite the congressional vote used the resolution not the declaration of war which they didn’t do either… they voted on the resolution… precedence was made. Clinton cited that instance with his naval blockade and when challenged by congress stated precedence was established for the President to engage the military without congressional approval and they shut up. Precedence just made forcing products on the people in the relabeling as a tax the new Law.

          • 7LibertyForAll

            Agreed but I still am supporting the return of our common law courts! 🙂

        • carolbob

          Unless I am mistaken we would not even have this discussion if Roberts had not allowed Obama Care to pass. This all rests the shoulders of Roberts. Enough said.

          • AKLady

            You elect Congress.
            Congress makes law.
            The Courts define and enforce it.

          • iDeclare

            Some courts are acting like dictorships. Defining the law as they see fit!
            Courts are becoming dangerous with their liberal agenda!

          • kbmiller

            Most of us have blocked the commie AK no Lady. All it does is LIE and repeat.

          • AKLady

            The Courts define and enforce law.
            That is their area f responsibility.

          • Read my prior answer to your stupidity.

          • No, the courts interpret the law and the executive branch enforces the law. So stupid.

          • AKLady

            Play your childish synonym games with someone else.

          • Just read atricles I, II, and III of the Constitution and learn.

          • AKLady

            Suggest you regiter for an American Government class at your local community college. You assumptions are invalid.

          • This coming from someone that never graduated high school?

          • AKLady

            Some of us don’t waste time sitting in classrooms,
            we take tests instead.
            BS, Charter Oak College, State of Connecticut (test)
            M.D. Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences
            J.D. George Washington University.
            MBA, Cardinal Stritch College, Wisconsin.
            CEU – U.S.D.A. Graduate School.
            CEU – University of South Carolina, School of Medicine
            CEU – University of Wisconsin
            CEU – University of Alaska

          • Taking tests without learning in the classroom may be shorter time, but it doesn’t make one smarter nor does it make one more able to do their job.
            BA History, Indiana University.
            MA History, Indiana University.
            Teaching certificate – English as a second language.
            Teaching certificate – Teaching in Christian schools world wide.
            20 years U.S. Army.
            Silver Star
            Purple Heart x2
            Bronze Star

            Though I needed to take tests for the first 2, I earned everything through hard work without any shortcuts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • AKLady

            Is that why most high school graduates cannot pass the tests?

            What it means is I did not waste four years sitting in a classroom. It also means I did take on $ thousands of debt.

          • Still a shortcut.

          • smilee

            WHAT, he played zero part in passing the law. You sure proved your ignorance and stupidity.

          • carolbob

            Now I wonder who is ignorant. Roberts did not have to allow it to pass. He backed down from his original decision against it at the last minute which was a surprising move. Check it out. Like I stated before, enough said.

          • smilee

            Such stupidity no judge has that power over congress and they are the ones who passed it,. Such a stupid response,

          • regulus30

            IDIOT ; look IT UP.;;;Roberts/obamacare @ Forbes.com/apothecary; he rewrote the bill.

          • You ad hominems are not welcome here, so go home and take your meds.

          • carolbob

            Why do you think it came to a vote in the SC. His vote allowed it to go through. Your name and things you say make me wonder if you are a disgruntled liberal over Trump’s victory. Don’t like him work towards getting someone of whom you approve just as do many of us are doing.

          • smilee

            It came to a vote as the GOP filed suit and it is the job of court to resolve disputes based on the constitution. That is what they did and those who hate our constitution really hate what they done. WOW there are lots of conservatives very disgruntled with trump to and for very good cause. He is lucky if he finishes his term and has zero chance to get re-elected as to many in the GOP will not vote for him. He is the biggest loser to ever hold the office as president with the least public support of the 45 presidents and being one of only five minority presidents and he lost the popular vote by the largest margin of the five making him th biggest loser ever to become president. You can bet we will be working against him.

          • The SCOTUS determines if the passed law is constitutional. If it is, then they can sign it into law. Ergo, they do play a part in passing law. You are the ignorant one here.

          • smilee

            More ignorance. they do not sign it into law the president does THAT and if it is not a constitutional law the courts will issue an opinion as to why and order it null an void but they have never signed any law intro law. They only judge if the congress and president did it right and the same with a state law. THEY MAKE NO LAWS DUMBAZZ!! When are these stupid responses going to stop?

          • AKLady

            When you have to resort to name calling, yo have lost the argument.
            When you resort to sewer language, you do not have an argument.

          • smilee

            I never called anyone a name that was not fitting.Certainly true about sammie! Truth hurt? Your opinion is BS too

          • AKLady

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.
            Try to develop some maturity.

          • smilee

            Tell that to trump and his insults are false mine at least are true and far less frequent.

          • AKLady

            Someone else did it, so it is all right for me to do it …
            That is about as immature as it gets.

          • smilee

            Write and tell trump that!

          • AKLady

            Tell your Congressman, that is what they were elected for.

          • smilee

            The only option they have to muscle trump is impeachment, is that what you want me to ask them to do?

          • AKLady

            They can do much more simply by passing laws that make his life a living Hades.

          • smilee

            Name one law they can pass that wil contol trump’s speech!

          • AKLady

            Oh, those laws already exist.
            The process is called impeachment.

          • smilee

            LOL that is what I said and could happen

          • smilee

            Your mistaken as Roberts held to what the contitution demands of him. in reality it rests io the sholders of the founders in 1787 as they are the ones who gave congress this power at that time and Roberts merely confirmed they gave congress that power and upheld the constitution as writrten. You seem so ignorant?

          • 1. Use spell checker.
            2. You are to support and respect your POTUS.

          • AKLady

            Spelling is wrote memory.
            Parrots do it well.
            Are you a bird brain?

          • Ad hominems makes you, not I, look like the bird brain. Looks like you want to back up the biggest troll on this thread. I guess you like North Korea.

          • AKLady

            You have the ability to block a poster.
            Why don’t you act like an adult and use that tool?

          • Why don’t you hypocrite?

          • AKLady

            You are the one insulting and complaining.

          • I only told the truth.

          • AKLady

            You are the one insulting and complaining.
            You are the one resorting to name-calling.

        • The courts only job is to interpret the law, not to enforce it nor to force people to obey it.

          • smilee

            Oh ignorqnt one that is exactly what the court did. Their order in the end is obeyed as ther is penalities if you do not have not, have not you noticed every state is now issuing marraige licences to gay couples and without the court order this would not have happened in some states, If you are one of those people who do not obey then off to jail with you. Your such an idiot with these stupid responses,

          • Wrong. States, like Kentucky and Indiana, have passed laws saying clerks do not have to sign their names. This protects our God-given right of freedom of religon, which trumps the perverted lifestyle.

          • smilee

            Meaningless as they still have to issue the licenses. Many states never required a signature. I guess that in some way satisfies you bigots but it in reality changes nothing, Again you prove your stupidirty!

          • God-given right of freedom of religion trumps perverted lifestyles. Wrong! That individual clerk does not have to as they do not need to sign. This is nothing more than an unconstitutional act and judicial overreach. Again you prove your stupidity. Remember the only true marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. To believe that or to support it as God set it up this way is not bigotry, but the truth.

          • smilee

            Then why is it not happening? Indiana is issuing marriage licenses and gays are legally married there now as is the case nationwide Your opinion is anti constitution but your words have long showed us you hate the constitution and advocate end runs on it all the time. You want us to believe your definition of marriage is constitutional it is not as the constitution forbids that and the courts have now upheld it. Your continued lies will not change that fully established fact. I doubt you will ever realize just how big a liar you really are.

      • what recovery

        John Roberts wanted to be liked by Barry Obama, the real citizens know he is a dud.

        • kbmiller

          Yep, Barack OHOMO stomped his feet for months demanding that it wasn’t a tax. Then when Roberts said it could pass BECAUSE it WAS a tax, Boneheaded Barry shut up. Too bad he didn’t stay shut up.

          • AKLady

            Name calling is nursery school behavior.

          • Jose Cisneros

            Ohomo ha ha ha i call him homobama ha ha ha

        • Louie Rey

          You know, I didn’t realize it until now but of all the Supreme Court justices, he does look the most milk toasty. Even Ruthie baby has more of an expressive face. Sure, it’s a scowl but at least you she stands out a little.

      • regulus30

        actually Roberts is a COWARD.

        • iDeclare

          agree on Roberts. He has failed this country!

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        • Louie Rey

          Well, at least I got the first letter C right.

          • regulus30

            you ARE TOO FUNNY. Love you Louie

          • Louie Rey

            Thanks. Now if I could somehow turn you into Salma Hayek I’d be in fat city!

          • regulus30

            afraid that will not happen.

          • Louie Rey

            Yeah, I know. We’re still friends though, right?

          • regulus30

            sho nuff

      • Garys_opinion

        I still wonder what the Democrats blackmailed him with!

        • Ron

          money that’s what they all want

        • Jon Blake

          They dint Blackmailed McConnel. KY is fat dumb and happy with their Healthcare because the rest of the country is paying for it!

          • iDeclare

            Not True: Kentucky Governor Bevins is trying to shown down this bastardly system, but, like the Federal Obampkin Healthcare it has its tenicles in other systems put in by the bureacrats. The Governor has committed to close it down within a year or less. The Republicans have the Governorship and both State houses for the first time in 50 years thanks to President Trump!

        • disqus_v5723Mqspa

          So do I.

        • Louie Rey

          You know what I wonder? I wonder how many people are familiar with the character you have as your avatar? Alfred E. Neuman brings back a lot of memories for me. I was Mad about him. Thanks for the memory.

          • nocbsfan

            Now why did you bring up MAD LOL 🙂

          • Garys_opinion

            “What me worry” I use to say that all of the time, had I known what was going to happen in this country, I would have worried a lot!

          • Louie Rey

            You know, they say “ignorance is bliss” and if there was ever anyone who was more blissful than Alfred E. Neuman I don’t know he is. Hussein maybe?

      • John

        If judge Roberts were a conservative (note subjunctive), he would know the U.S. Constitution and know that he is subordinate to and subject to the Constitution. He would therefore know his obligation, under law, to rule against national health care acts, knowing that the Constitution grants no permission to have any. The only reasonable exception is military and ex-military personnel. The Constitution does authorize the federal government to have a military.

        • smilee

          He understands the constitution but clearly you do not or you wuld not lie about this.

          • 7LibertyForAll

            InstaBlock!

          • AKLady

            Is that a promise?

          • Like you constantly do.

          • Like you lie about all the time?

        • Gregg Parker

          Your observation is sound…and your reading of the Constitutional distinction is correct.

          • AKLady

            Except it is 100% incorrect.

        • 7LibertyForAll

          But not a standing army. And, yes, you’re absolutely right.

        • AKLady

          Go take an American Government class.
          You are embarrassing yourself and America.

          • Maggie

            Ummm….pretty sure you never had a proper American government class or you might realize that you are the one who is embarrassing yourself with your ignorance of the Constitution.

          • AKLady

            BS, Charter Oak College, State of Connecticut
            M.D. Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences
            J.D. George Washington University.
            MBA, Cardinal Stritch College, Wisconsin.
            CEU – U.S.D.A. Graduate School.
            CEU – University of South Carolina, School of Medicine
            CEU – University of Wisconsin
            CEU – University of Alaska

          • Maggie

            And your point is????

          • kbmiller

            He/she/it does that constantly. That’s why most of us have blocked it.

          • AKLady

            Promise?

          • Maggie

            Yeah, but I’m having too much fun!

          • ARJAY

            You call it fun. I call it a HUGE WASTE OF TIME for anyone who wants to have a sane DISCUSSION!

            That’s why I blocked akNOlady!!!!

          • nocbsfan

            AK you know how I hate civics

          • John

            AKLady: Please read the Constitution and start with article one, section one (All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a congress of the United States, which shall consist of a senate and house of representatives.). Then, explain, where in the Constitution, any other branch is granted power to make and pass laws, and also, where, in the Constitution, is the power granted to have a national health care system?

          • AKLady

            The Constitution permits taxation.
            The U.S. Supreme Court ruled it was a tax.
            .
            Also, the ACA is designed to do exactly what the Consiutiion allows and demands:

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENCE, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            Apparently, you do not see disease as a threat to national defense. Get a better history education.
            .
            Apparently, you do not see abject poverty as a threat to national defense Get a better history education.

            Apparently, you are not aware that some illnesses which occur during pregnancy cause children major physical handicaps.

        • nocbsfan

          Roberts called it a tax. The reason he voted for it. Louie is correct it should be called the John Robert’s tax, that is what it is.

        • Louie Rey

          Well John, apparently we have the wrong John in the Supreme Court. I bet you look good in a robe also. Where do we go to make the switch?

          • John

            Louie Rey: I don’t know if I would look in a judicial robe or not. I suspect that I would only look pompous. As for being qualified, I reread article three of the Constitution, and it shows no requirement that a federal judge have a legal degree or legal experience. I think, however, there is the assumption that there must be some brains between the ears.

          • Louie Rey

            You know what they say about assume. I had no idea that is wasn’t a requirement or mandatory about having a law degree but based on some of the decisions handed down it kind of makes sense. I guess it’s similar to the fact that anyone can become Pope. I have a friend who said that and she said that even I could be Pope. Considering my background and history I think that the good Lord might kind of frown on me being Pope. I’d be the one spending all of that time in the confessional. And oh what stories, I mean confessions, I could tell!

      • nocbsfan

        Very true words, accurately said.

      • Jose Cisneros

        Appointed by a Bush liberal

        • Louie Rey

          Well that explains a lot.

      • copakeman

        a bush conservative (neither a real conservative or constitutionalist)

        • Louie Rey

          Well, his actions have certainly demonstrated that.

    • blauglas

      regulus: NO! Recall, the despicable demoncrats are the ONLY ones to vote-in obummercare ? THEY own it, then the GOP trashes it.

      • regulus30

        Why is there a need for a “bipartisan fix”; let the dems go down with it.

        • kbmiller

          The Conservatives know that the lamestream Media will blame them when OHOMO Care fails. That’s what they’re afraid of. Bunch of sissies.

          • regulus30

            exactly lame stream media has turned the RINOS into cowards because they “do not trust their base”; Trump proved you can build a solid base if you go to the voters.

    • Garys_opinion

      No I believe it was John McCain who had the vote that killed it, and kept Obama, care in force!

      • regulus30

        A RINO yes?

      • carolbob

        Roberts was the deciding vote on the Supreme Court, McCain was Senate.

    • Randi Amundsen

      yes

  • Louie Rey

    Anyone still holding their breath hoping that President Trump doesn’t repeal and replace this abomination? The only ones who don’t give a S**T about this “law” are those who aren’t involved or affected by it at all. The rest? Well, you deal with it.

  • dennis cheever

    Government for the people. When was this? Not in my lifetime.

  • Roy Veteto

    i want all incumbents put on notice due to how you have exempted yourself from this tax i not despise you but will vote for your opponent when i cast a vote in all future elections.

  • E James Maggio

    If the republicans do not get rid of this tax it is going to be blamed on them

    • Jon Blake

      The GOP need to take ownership of this. It is their fault

      • Fred_K

        They do not need to take ownership, it will be bestowed on them.

        • Jon Blake

          I stand corrected Fred.

          • E James Maggio

            the democrats passed Obama care with no votes from republicans and it should be repealed because it is hurting those who are not getting the free insurance and subsidies. they passed it because they said the poor and the ones that could not afford insurance needed it . by doing t hat for t hem they caused health inusurance to become the worst that it has ever been. The middle class workers are paying for the poor and subsidies for the ones that cannot afford it. they are having trouble getting insurance at a reasonable cost for themselves. come 2018, they will not be able to afford their own insurance and many of them will be going without it

          • kbmiller

            Yep, if insurance costs go up for the wealthy, it won’t hurt them a bit. It’s the middle class white workers who pay for this BAG o $ HIT.

        • dorcus

          You are so right! Democrats are the best when it comes to turning the lies to truth!

    • Yvonne Crumpler

      You are correct about where the blame will fall. However, Damocrates (yes, I know it is spelled wrong) are a “bane on the people of the USA” and they are not likely to get any better. No more Socialism, please.

    • blauglas

      E James. Wrong ! Recall the one-sided, ONLY demoncrats that signed the BOGUS obummercare onto “law” ? It is ALL on their despicable back !

      • Fred_K

        It is on the back of Dumbasses, but the Republicants will be blamed for not repealing it. Especially the “NO” voters.

      • E James Maggio

        I know that and you know that but that does not make any difference for liberals, they will be condeming republicans like they are doing with any and everything now

  • Jon Blake

    Congress have become the Enemy of the People. (And should be treated as such)

    • blauglas

      In particular: the OBSTRUCTIONIST demoncrats ! They sit on their hands, to vote only NO to anything they see. Send them home! They are DO-NOTHINGS ! Impeach THEM !

  • Jon Blake

    Mitch McConnell (D) have a mere approval rating of `18% in his home state of KY. (He can easily be replaced if the People there want it done) The problem is they do not.

    • dorcus

      It has nothing to do with the people! The democrats put millions of money into keeping McConnell in office, they need him! Same with the McCain and other RINO’s – republicans in name only.

      • Jon Blake

        It has everything to do with the people of KY. They lose McConnell they lose Free Healthcare that is being paid for by the rest of us.

  • Fred_K

    Congress is not repealing thebum’scare, because they would lose all of the taxes it generates. There is no other reason that I can see for them not repealing it. They also get the “we tried, but there were not enough votes” BS again. All these thieves in Congress just want everyone’s money, although taxes do not make any difference when you can print all the money you want. Taxes only make the fiat money appear legitimate.

    • Jon Blake

      It was a canard from the get go.. Congress lied to us when they made the claim that they wanted to repeal Obamacare just to get the votes.

      • Fred_K

        It sure seems that way.

  • John

    The spineless weenies in the GOP and the p stands for pansy need to put on the big boy pants and do what they promised, what they ran on, what they did so many times before when they KNEW there was no chance of it actually happening. If you can’t FIX THIS, a LOT of you never Trumper ,backstabbing, jellyfish will have plenty of time to contemplate your navel lint, when your constituents determine that YOU are the incompetent ones and that YOUR values or lack of them, do NOT reflect this great nation.

    • Gregg Parker

      Spot on!!!!!!!

  • therealworld

    Liberals wanted Obama care to Not be Repealed, So, Here you go Lib’s. Who ya gonna blame now FOOLS

    • dorcus

      When it implodes, they think the republicans will be blamed for it! They forget that NOT ONE republican voted for Obamacare!

  • ray2hill

    The effort to repeal the Affordable Health Care Act failed. Fund the program and move on.

    • Ron

      well ok we take your income first assuming your working which i doubt.

    • Jon Blake

      The effort will be re-visited again in 2018.

  • Yarbles

    Repeal. The only answer to this nightmare sewage.

  • GymS

    Soon to be Senators the Hon. Judge Roy Moore (R. Al) and Laura Ingraham (R.Va.) will be enough to rid us of the tax known as ofailurecare. It never had anything to do with doctors, hospitals, nurses or medicine. It’s not health insurance. It’s a giant tax on the working White man/Woman for obamas noblest of causes, the communist re-distribution of wealth. Just look at the poor working Whites in Crook County Illinois. They now have a pop tax but if you’re on SNAP, you don’t pay it. So now, we have to subsidize watermelon flavored drinks for the schittheads.

    • kbmiller

      Yep, I’ve been saying that all along. Redistribute workers earnings in order to give free health care to $ hit heads.

    • carolbob

      Sure hope you are right.

  • Garys_opinion

    ab

  • Welldriller

    Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has met with groups opposed to the HIT, and agreed it is “a bad tax.”

    The whole thing is bad, you wanna put this BS on it’s ear? Just cancel your policy and put the money away for when YOU need it. We the people have the power to collapse this crap. And making DC take notice.

    • Maggie

      Totally agree.

  • Gregg Parker

    More double speak! “for tactical reasons, House leaders do not want to repeal Obamacare taxes piecemeal – partly because doing so would take away a lot of impetus for replacing Obamacare as a whole”. So do nothing and call it tactical stalling. That’s RINO speak for Single Payer!!

    • Trish

      It was piecemeal so Obama could get re-elected.

      • Gregg Parker

        The comment was made regarding the period of the current administration. It was said to explain why not repealing it was a good thing because they can get more done through tax cuts. Pre-Trump, during Obozo A New World Order and the sequel Gimme Yo Money, they were all for repeal and replace and “if we get a Republican President it’s gone”., Then it stayed and now they are trying to spin their lack of action into a tactical edge….

  • kbmiller

    This OHOMO care was crammed down our throats with a sugar coating of LIES. Repeal the whole damn POS.

  • AKLady

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility

    PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE,

    PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE,

    and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    • Maggie

      Article 1, sections 7 and 8. Amendment X.

      • AKLady

        That argument was tried, it failed.
        Every attempt to repeal it has failed.

    • Jon Blake

      Nowhere in the Constitution does it stated Free Healthcare

      • AKLady

        PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE,
        PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE,

        • Jon Blake

          The United States Constitution does not set forth an explicit right to health care, and the Supreme Court has never interpreted the Constitution as guaranteeing a right to health care services from the Government.

          • AKLady

            Please investigate the huge danger that is posed by a disease epidemic. Suggest you research the last major flu epidemic.

          • Jon Blake

            You’re referring to Pandemic and once this occur the Government does have a responsibility to address this issue medically.

          • AKLady

            The government has the responsibility to prevent it.

        • The general welfare and the welfare state are 2 different animals.

          • AKLady

            Suggest you get out the history books.
            When poverty becomes the majority, revolution takes place.

          • What I said is true and tis you that needs to study more. Revolution foesn’t necessarily take place due to the people being poor. We weren’t when we fought England for our independence.

          • AKLady

            Suggest you increase your reading comprehension.
            Suggest you get out the history books.
            When poverty becomes the majority,
            revolution takes place.

          • But were were not poor. We were having our God-given rights violated. Need to learn more. Remember they use to say “We recognize no sovereign but God, no king but Jesus.” before they went into battle.

          • AKLady

            “But were were: ??

          • Starting with Lexington and Concord till the final battle at Yorktown.

          • AKLady

            “But were were: ??

            The battles were fought on April 19, 1775 in Middlesex County, Province of Massachusetts Bay, within the towns of Lexington, Concord, Lincoln, Menotomy (present-day Arlington), and Cambridge.

          • All of them lady. I do not have time to post every battle, date, and location. This saying was in response to Britain always saying for king and country. You need to study more.

          • AKLady

            “But were were” ??

  • carolbob

    What i would like to know is why Obama got away with circumventing the Constitution and why we are allowing courts to rewrite the law. That is not their job. Their job is to uphold the law, not twist or add to it.

  • Jose Cisneros

    It is time for a national resolution for the people to vote on obama care. To the politicians, quit shoving this down our throat, let the people decide. What are you afraid of that we might vote it down. You do not know what is best for the people, let us decide, that is the right thing to do!!!

  • Lauriethelionhearted

    I got hit with a damned tax with my tax returns this year. I should have had a bit back from the government, but after an Obamacare tax of $750, I was not only livid then, but remain pissed off today. What is the point of working and thinking that you will get a refund for something pressing when this damned thing comes through. While Obamacare does have some good points about it, it also has some very bad ones and using the IRS to collect is a bad and dangerous one.

  • JR

    The real goal of Obama’s health care plan was free care to the poor and minorities at the cost and destruction of the American Middle-Class and small businesses. He can be your hero, to me he was just another dumb-a#s politician.

  • James Higginbotham

    John Roberts is NO CONSERVATIVE, HE IS JUST ANOTHER WEAK MINDED BLACK ROBED TYRANT TO EVEN ALLOW THIS.

  • ImOffendedTreatMeSpecial

    “…agreed it is a bad tax.” The whole abortion is bad from the consumer’s point of view. But, it is doing what it was designed to do. Fail so they can stick us with a European socialist single payer system that will $uck even more.

    • Gregg Parker

      I’ve been saying that since they presented this abortion. Thank fellow Patriot for the validation!! TRUMP AKBAR!!!

  • Bobbie Bane

    First they make it Law that everyone must have health insurance, then they make it so nobody can afford it. That’s what we are up against. Get rid of Obamacare already.

  • CJ

    For all the good it has done me thinking about dropping Obamacare and HOPE the ignorant Republicans can get their heads out of their a$$es & come up with something better. After all they have had 7 or 8 years to come up with SOMETHING!

  • general

    Many have explained that this will destroy us ( search; Little Gems From the Healthcare Bill ) years before it was even voted on yet many said we were nuts, etc., and said we need to stop it we know how that went, so now after years of this treason many are seeing we were trying to help.
    Wonder if they would listen to anything we say when they think they will receive more from the People for free. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH !!