Could Trump Bring Repeal of LBJ’s Anti-Religious Speech Law?


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(Capital Research Center) Donald Trump has promised plenty this election cycle: Economic growth, border security, and a stronger America abroad. But one of his campaign promises escapes mainstream media coverage, despite its broad implications.

The Republican front runner vows to repeal the Johnson Amendment, a little-known yet politically powerful law adored by the Left and scorned by many conservatives. “An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson many years ago, threatens religious institutions,” Trump claimed at the Republican National Convention in July. “I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.” He echoed that sentiment at the Value Voters Summit in September: “We’re going to get rid of that law, and it’s going to get rid of—we’re going to get rid of it so fast.”

But what exactly is the Johnson Amendment? Proposed by then Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) and passed by Congress in 1954, the law prohibits tax-exempt organizations—including churches and other nonprofits—from lobbying elected officials, campaigning on behalf of a political party, and supporting or opposing candidates for office. Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code bestows tax-exempt status upon nonprofit groups as long as they don’t “participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for office.” (The “in opposition to” clause was added in 1986.)

The Johnson Amendment is now applied most scrupulously to churches and faith-based organizations, which are barred from translating their community organizing into political activism of any kind. A Southern Baptist congregation opposed to abortion, for example, is prohibited from explicitly supporting a pro-life Republican running for Congress solely because of the church’s nonprofit status.

Through the Johnson Amendment, the Internal Revenue Service exercises the power to stifle a religious organization’s right to free speech….

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  • Roger Capettini

    Just another attack on one of the very basic building blocks of the constitution — that sacred document republicans claim to love so much but undermine at every chance. It’s called the separation of church and state and was EXACTLY why the founding fathers started this great nation — to protect us from being forced to obey the rules of the Church of England. But here they are again — trying to force that religion down our throats once again.

    • Bezukhov

      On the other hand I’d like to know what candidate some fundigelical wingnut preacher is supporting. So I don’t vote for them.

      • Mathew Molk

        Like Sharpton, Wright, and even King?

        We have no control over him but how ’bout the Pope telling us we are greedy and have to give away what little money we have left?

        Looks like the law only applies to conservative churches.

    • james vanderscott

      Never has been and still isn’t in the Constitution as you’re implying. But than again that is what the media tells us all so it must be true…. Right???

      • John Michael

        Its not the media. Its history. But since you like to play silly word games, tell me where exactly in the 2nd amendment you find the words GUN, BUY, or OWN?

        I’ll be waiting..

        • james vanderscott

          Not sure what your waiting on, maybe your government check or for your “hold my hand cause I can’t take care of myself” government to come wipe your butt. Like the old school yard saying goes “pick on someone your own size” I will not get into an argument with someone who can’t think on their own or logically. But speaking of silly word games where does the second amendment come into play in this conversation? And what part of the right to keep and bare arms do you not understand? The term “arms” is fire arms which is the same thing as a gun. And how can you keep or bare something if you do not own or have access to it? So yes the second amendment does state we have the right to buy, own and have guns. But than again that has nothing to do with the fact that separation of Church and state is no where in the Constitution or amendments and the letter that it was referred to in was referring to keeping the government out of the Church not the other way around.

    • Mike Foster

      There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution. Read it before you shoot your mouth off.

      • John Michael

        Its in the interpretation of the words of the establishment clause you ssahat! What do you think “no law respecting an establishment of religion” means? It doesnt mean to create an establishmemt of religion unless you have a dictionary no one else has ever seen?

        • Mathew Molk

          it should have also said no law impeding religion too, but our Judaeo/Christian founding fathers would never have guessed in their worst nightmare that it would have ever been necessary. Fact is,,,now it is.

          • John Michael

            We have that, its called the free exercise clause. And our founding fathers werent judeo christians. Most were deists

          • biilyjoe

            —-You are wrong. Our First President , Washington, attended weekly church services at both Anglican, and ,yes, even Roman Catholic Church. So did almost every one of the Founding Fathers attend protestant congregations, except of course , the Roman Catholic Calverts of Maryland. Just because they were Ecumenical doesn’t mean that they were deists or atheists.

          • Robert Chrisman

            It is misleading to call our founding fathers Judaeo/Christian. They were influenced primarily by John Locke. The majority were either agnostic or simple deist (belief in a power that created the universe, but has no interest in human affairs). Jefferson once stated: “After god created the heavens and the earth he turned his face away, and has never looked back.” Ben Franklin stated: “Lighthouses are more useful than churches.”

          • biilyjoe

            You are wrong. Our First President , Washington, attended weekly church services at both Anglican, and ,yes, even Roman Catholic Church. So did almost every one of the Founding Fathers attend protestant congregations, except of course , the Roman Catholic Calverts of Maryland. Just because they were Ecumenical doesn’t mean that they were deists or atheists.

          • AdvocateNurse

            “Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter.”
            ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

          • biilyjoe

            For every Thomas Paine there were 20 Christian George Washingtons. Go live in Cuba , you’ll be satisfied there.

          • AdvocateNurse

            “Without the pen of Paine, the sword of Washington would have been wielded in vain.”
            ― John Adams

          • biilyjoe

            Absolute diversion from the topic at hand. When the Constitutional Convention gets held, and America is rededicated as one nation , under the Judaeo-Christian God,with Bible Reading back in the public schools after a half-century of demon worship, plus school choice , your islamo- sentimental safespace will explode in mid-air like hillary’s emails did.

          • AdvocateNurse

            Thomas Jefferson guessed:

            “I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendency of one sect over another.”
            ― Thomas Jefferson

    • patriot1

      Hey Roger. Before you Post your comments try reading the constitution first. You talk about left wing ignorance. As a matter of fact the constitution mentions the Creator but you knew that right? LBJ had no right to take away a religious person freedom from the Political Process. You go it t now? Stop spending time with the left wing news Media. You have been brainwashed.

      • John Michael

        Moron….there is no such word as creator ANYWHERE in the Constitution. You are referring to the declaration of independence written by Thomas Jefferson, a deist. He was not a christian. So Jeffersons god is not your god. Now who is the ignorant one? Religion has no voice in gov, thats why we have an establishment clause. To keep your religion from getting involved in the legislative process. The gov cannot pass law’s based on your dogma that impacts the quality of my life!

        • DaisyToo

          The establishment clause exists to keep the govt from establishing a state religion and to keep the govt Out of the freedom of religious expression, not to keep God out of govt.
          BTw, Jefferson was a deacon at his church ( still known then in this country as Anglican) and had his daughters carefully educated on his religious tradition.

          • John Michael

            Where do you see the word establshing moron?? Its Establishment…noun. Establishing is a verb. Now while its true that the gov cant establish its own state religion, that isnt what the words in the establishment clause mean. Its referring to religions that have already been established and were operating in this country at the time the constituion was signed. Religion is evil and needs to stay out of gov! If there is no separation of church snd state, AND if the establishment clause means no state religion, then why have a free exercise clause? Its redundant

          • DaisyToo

            Moron?
            Bye!

          • biilyjoe

            WOW. Everyone’s a moron to you.

          • bendecido

            I am just curious John, In what way is Religion evil?

        • alwanderer

          Atheists have dogma and it isn’t live an let live or anything near. They feel no need to respect the sheeple or any one else of the many beneath them.

        • biilyjoe

          Wrong. It’s even dated “In the Year of Our Lord”— which refers to Jesus Christ.

    • Abby701

      What you state about the reasoning is true; however, over the years it has had the opposite effect. Suppression of one’s basic rights of free of and religious freedom. Instead of protecting the people from State or Government enforced beliefs (religious), it has become a toll to do the opposite. It now protects the government from people speaking out. on their beliefs. .

    • DaisyToo

      You don’t have a clue about what separation of church and state means.

    • CorrectionPlease

      Unless, as of lately, it’s a Moslem rule.
      Then there can be not even discussion.

      Moslems can do or say or demand anything.
      If you speak out you are politically incorrect, a racist, a bigot and probably worst of all . . . a Christian . . . Jew . . . Infidel!

    • Robert Chrisman

      Conservatives cry about how their religious rights are being denied. For our entire history they have been treated with favoritism. We have mega-churches and preachers living in 50 million dollar homes, owning 2 private jets and a yacht . . and all of it payed for with tax exempt money! Much of that tax-free income comes from old people on social security who can not afford to give, but they are suckers for the con-men. We are centuries past due for making the churches pay taxes like everybody else.

    • biilyjoe

      We had prayer (Judaeo-Christian Bible Reading) FOR 3 CENTURIES up until 1962 in every American Public School. It never established a religion (other than a respect for the Judaeo-Christian God (Jehovah) upon which all of Western Civilization depends–and from which our Constitution , Magna Carta, Rights of Man, and Declaration of Independence have been derived. Satanist (read her son’s book), Madlyn Murray O’Hare petitioned an activist court to remove it. Nothing good has come of our public schools, especially in Democrat run cities) since then. It is time to remove the influence of one disenchanted Devil worshiper from our school system for once and for all.

    • AdvocateNurse

      “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
      ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

  • iprazhm

    If he makes this an issue he supports, it would be the lone promise, of the several he made to Christian leaders, that he actually still confesses to support.

    • Mathew Molk

      Why don’t you get back to your safe zone and enjoy the free crayons. It’s over got you next week.

      • AdvocateNurse

        “It is over,” Biden said, just before certifying Trump’s win a couple of days ago.

        https://youtu.be/N3ht6gi5jsE

      • iprazhm

        I find it amusing that the person who chooses to use insults to make a point, makes no point at all.

  • Loving America

    IRS You Are Done With Your Crap Too! NO More trash on The Patriots Who Does All the Work in
    America or Abroad!

  • Loving America

    Johnson was probably the killer of Kennedy……No One Else even had a “Reason to Kill Him!” Too bad someone does not turn lose and tell the truth over it all!

    • temporary guest

      I’m sure there were others who had reason to kill Kennedy… but, it is true that LBJ and his wife made a fortune off the Vietnam war. Of course, still today, the democrats who are saying Trump has a huge “conflict of interest” problem would deny that LBJ had any “conflict of interest”.

    • Daniel from TN

      The truth may come out in a few years when the ENTIRE assassination report and records are scheduled to be released to the public. Here’s my beliefs.
      1. I do not believe LBJ was in on the assassination, but I do believe he was in on the cover-up, The Warren Commission.
      2. The Warren Commission was a farce. I was in Jr. High when a TV special about the commission was televised. The next day at school my friends and I were talking about all the errors we saw in the report.
      3. I do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. I have believed this since shortly after Kennedy’s death. Simply stated, I do not believe Oswald was smart enough to plan it. Also, three people stated that at the moment the shots were fired, Oswald was with them in the break room two or three floors below where the shots occurred. These witnesses were never interviewed by the Warren Commission or any law enforcement agency at ANY level.
      4. I believe the Joint Chiefs of Staff arranged Kennedy’s death. Kennedy was planning to withdraw from Vietnam because he realized it was not our fight. The Joint Chiefs opposed this action fearing the “Domino Effect” would spread Communism all over the world if it was not stopped in Vietnam. In the long run, Kennedy was right, and the Domino Effect did not occur after we lost the war.

      • CorrectionPlease

        ” . . . after we lost the war?”

        Too much revisionist history media reporting my friend.

        The Tet offensive was a complete failure for General Giap and the North Vietnamese Army which was on the brink of collapse.

        The Democrats rescued them by turning the country over to the Commnists after Nixon had bombed the North into submission.

      • doloreseilerts

        REMEMBER LBJ HATED JFK AND RFK.
        JFK. LOVED AMERICA LBJ WAS A SOCIALIST SAW AMERICA AS A HUMAN PIGGYBANK. THE MORE CASH WE COULD GIVE AWAY. OT WOULD BE A INVRSTMENT FOR DEMOCRAT VOTES.
        OBAMAO WAS THE FROSTING ON THE COMMUNIST. LIBERAL SOCIALIST POWER CAKE.I WAS RUNNING. A HALIBURTON WHEN IT CAME OVER. THAT JFK WAS SHOT.
        THAT ROOM HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE INIT.
        A CHORUS AROSE.LBJ FINALLY GOT HIS WISH HE HELPED KILL JFK.
        WATCH FOOTAGE OF ASSINATION. LBJ BEING SWORN IN JACKIES FACE. LBJ FACE.
        BUT MORE IMPORTANT ALL WHO WAS PRESENT.
        WATCHED RUBY SHOOT OSWALD WHICH WAS THE PLAN TO SHUT HIM UP. WARREN REPORT A FARCE.

    • biilyjoe

      Johnson’s longtime (20 plus years) mistress, Madeline Brown, mother of johnson’s illegitimate son, was interviewed (a few years before her death) for over an hour about what she witnessed at a meeting with Johnson there in Dallas on the night of November 21, 1963. Brown states that Johnson told her that ‘after tomorrow those kennedy bastards won’t be pushing him around anymore’. See the interview on youtube.

  • tomthetazman

    This is great news. It’s time the USA puts God back in our schools. The downward spiral of the USA started when Johnson got this law passed through Congress. This man cost the lives of thousands of our country’s young men when he got us evolved in Vietnam and the Veterans to this day continue to die because of that war.

    • Mathew Molk

      I’ll drink to that, Bbut in all fairness we were involved in then, Indo China, from WWII on. You gonna hate this, but it was president Nixon that got us out.

      That doesn’t get the blod of my brothers off Johnson’s hands though. He was NFG in all respects.

    • John E. Lambert

      Just so you know this..the Vietnam War was going on before Lyndon Johnson was POTUS.

      • CorrectionPlease

        Also to let you know . . .
        Johnson increased troop levels to 1/2 million
        from a few thousand advisors.

        Johnson created the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident with the help of yellow news reporting . . .
        also known as our current Fred Friendly School of Journalism.

      • biilyjoe

        Johnson escalated the war in Vietnam with his Gulf of Tonkin Resolution–even though the left loon ms media of 1964 attacked his opponent, Barry Goldwater, and accused Goldwater of being a hawk that would get us into a land war in Vietnam– implying Johnson would not–but in 2 years, that is exactly what Johnson did–while johnson at the same time began appeasing rioters, looters, and anti-war anarchists and insurrectionists.

    • AdvocateNurse

      “I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendency of one sect over another.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

      • biilyjoe

        There’s a difference between religion and sect. Our public schools had daily Bible Readings for 3 centuries right up until 1962 before Satanist Madlyn Murray O’Hare and an atheist court removed it. The Old and New Testament readings were listened to and accepted by all in the public schools because it indicated that our Founders expected all Americans to have respect for The Judaeo-Christian God, Jehovah. Time to bring it back–and Trump will with the help of God and to the detriment of devil worshipers like yourself.

        • AdvocateNurse

          Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this subject with me, biilyjoe.

          Identifying with our differences rather than our similarities makes us dangerous to one another.

          I know that in my everyday life, it’s the principles of humility, kindness, empathy, patience, manners that are valued the most. The quality of my spiritual connection on any given day is reflected in how well I express these principles during my day-to-day interactions.

          How interesting that the further away from “us” our “leaders” get: Left-Right or In-the-Middle, the less they tend to express those principles.

  • klsparrow

    Push for repeal of this POS. Liberals will claim the “separation of church and state BS that is not in the constitution. In 1947 the SCOTUS took the words “Separation between Church and State” out of Jefferson’s letter to the Bradbury Baptist in 1/1/1802 and used them to say religion cannot be in government these words are taken out of context. The letter was dealing with the government getting involved in religion and assuring the baptist that it would not religion being in Government. Look it up and read the letter. The SCOTUS should revisit this and over turn this piece of crap. Do a constitutional amendment

    • temporary guest

      You’re absolutely right, and the fact that you know all that is encouraging. The left has had a monopoly on what the first amendment says for decades now and it’s really great to see that Americans are learning the truth.

    • John Michael

      Well obviously we had another group of activist judges back then. They had no right to alter an important part of history. You cant have freedom of religion if it also doesnt include freedom FROM religion. And if you really want to start a new civil war just try and force religion on people. And if you really want to know where separation exists in the constitution all you have to do is read the establishment clause. Congress shall make NO LAW that respects, holds in high regard, or generally kisses the ssa of any institution or establishment of religion!

      Let trump try it…someone will shoot him

      • temporary guest

        “You cant have freedom of religion if it also doesnt include freedom FROM religion.”

        “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion” means that congress shall not set up a national church and demand membership from the citizens.

        “… or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,…”

        “Congress shall make NO LAW that respects, holds in high regard, or generally kisses the ssa of any institution or establishment of religion!”

        I looked up the first amendment to see if you are telling the truth about that and, as I suspected, it says on such thing.

        Typically, liberals only read parts of the ten amendments that they like, and ignore the parts they don’t like in order to utterly pervert the amendments, the government and the culture we live in.

        Please tell me when Congress told you or any one else that you have to join a specific church and you MUST live your life in accordance with the dictates of that church.

        • John Michael

          Whoa whoa whoa…where did you get the word regarding from ? The word is “respecting”. And one of the uses of respect is to “hold in high regard” which is not the same as “in regards” to something. Your usage of the word is wrong. Go back to school. And if congress passes a law prohibiting me from cohabitating with my girlfriend then they dont have to force me into their church…their dogma is now impacting my life! Thats what we are fighting against

          • temporary guest

            LOL,,, you think nit picking over the use of the word regarding instead of respecting makes you sound right and intelligent?

            Where did you come up with this?: “Congress shall make NO LAW that respects, holds in high regard, or generally kisses the ssa of any institution or establishment of religion!”

            You must have gotten that from Satan’s Translation of the United States Constitution.

            ROFLMHO.

            Me, go back to school?? LOL… why would I want to do that if that’s where you got your view of the 1st amendment? ROFLMHO.

          • AdvocateNurse

            “There is nothing in which mankind have been more unanimous [founding nations upon superstition]; yet nothing can be inferred from it more than this, that the multitude have always been credulous, and the few artful. The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature: and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history… [T]he detail of the formation of the American governments… may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had any interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of heaven… it will for ever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses… Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favour of the rights of mankind.

            [A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States of America, 1787]”
            ― John Adams, The Political Writings of John Adams

            http://www.constitution.org/jadams/ja1_00.htm

          • temporary guest

            Sorry this is so lengthy, I do get carried away at times, not to pick on people, but because I enjoy writing. Please don’t feel picked on because of it.

            I’m not sure I get your point. But as long as John Adams is to be quoted:

            “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.” – John Adams and John Hancock

            “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” – John Adams

            “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.” – John Adams

            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” – John Adams

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

            “I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.” – John Adams

            “The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.” – John Adams

            “[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.” – John Adams

            “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.” – John Adams

            “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.” – John Adams

            Note: Similar quotes from our founders, supreme court justices, presidents, statesmen and elected officials are so multitudinous that they would fill whole volumes if collected in one place. Of course, these particular quotes that I’ve offered can be found in a multitude of places but, since you offered the one you took your quote from, here is the source where I found the ones I posted:

            https://www.shadesofgrace.org/2010/05/05/is-america-a-christian-nation-more-quotes-from-our-founders/

            I would point out that when discussing whether or not the United States is, or ever was “a Christian nation” one must realize that the concept of “a Christian nation” is not and never was a legal or political one. But we were founded, in fact, as a Christian nation in a CULTURAL sense… things loved in common and disdained in common by the vast, overwhelming majority of new Americans were determined by the Holy Bible. At the birth of our nation the majority, probably over 98% of the populace of the colonies were in fact Christian members of one denomination or other, the colonies in fact being largely separated along denominational lines, the churches of the time being the centers of community activity, education, medicine and information. In fact, several of the colonies (not all) had “established” church denominations and citizens were required to pay tithes to those churches as there was at that time no federal or state taxing bodies, other than the church which, again ,was the cultural center of just about every thing.

            Even those founders who might be accurately called “Deists” were in agreement that the virtues, principles and truths of the Bible were indispensable and essential to good governance of a free people as they believed that a people who could not govern themselves individually would also be unable to govern a nation.

            “No nation will ever be greater than the virtues of it’s men” – G. S. Weaver, D. D. “The Lives And Graves Of Our Presidents”, Chicago: Elder Publishing Company, 1888.

            Who can argue intelligently with that statement?

            Where the first amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion..” the founders in absolutely no way were saying that Christianity had no place in government. They were saying that no single denomination would ever become the “religious overseer”, as it were, of the new nation. They had just thrown off the oppression not only of the English King, but also of the Anglican Church, which was the denomination that England required Christians to be a member of.

            Their view was that Christians ought to be able to live in accordance with their own Christian conscience. So, they prohibited a federal church and also prohibited any interference with Christian churches by the federal government.

            They also would not allow an atheist, nor a Muslim to hold federal office, to teach school, to serve on a jury because they believed and held, and were in almost 100% agreement across all denominational lines that a person who did not believe in God and a future state of rewards and punishment had any reason to be honest and virtuous. This does not mean that they believed non-Christians were dishonest or non-virtuous simply because they were not Christian. They just believed that such people, because they lacked the guiding moral authority of God and the Bible, could not be trusted.

            When George Washington put his hand upon the pages of the bible and swore his oath, it was not just a ceremony that meant nothing. To the founders, the swearing of an oath was very, very serious. The man who did such was placing his soul in jeopardy before God if he violated that oath. This is the reason the practice of swearing an oath came about, and is required by our constitution.

            Sorry this is so lengthy, I do get carried away at times, not to pick on people, but because I enjoy writing. Please don’t feel picked on because of it.

          • AdvocateNurse

            Thank you for sharing such a well-thought out post.
            It amazes me how many people use the anonymity of Disqus to be mean and aggressive…I always imagine it’s the most prim and proper Grandmothers and Men in waistcoats with slightly-British accents who are just complete maniacs in these forums!

            I have enjoyed learning more about the Founding Fathers, including several I haven’t thought of in years; Benjamin Rush, Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton. It’s been awhile since I’ve reviewed The Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence; searching for quotes gave me an opportunity to reacquaint myself with these documents https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs

            I find the paradoxes to be refreshing reminders of how thoughtful these men were; not only as their own views on religion and spirituality developed and changed; but also in the way they respected and protected people that did not share their specific beliefs:

            “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.”
            ― Thomas Jefferson

            “I regret exceedingly that the disputes between the protestants and Roman Catholics should be carried to the serious alarming height mentioned in your letters. Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause; and I was not without hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy of the present age would have put an effectual stop to contentions of this kind.
            [Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, 22 June 1792]”
            ― George Washington, Writings

            “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
            {Letter to Thomas Jefferson, September 3, 1816]”
            ― John Adams, The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams

            “Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
            {Letter to his son and 6th US president, John Quincy Adams, November 13 1816}”
            ― John Adams, The Letters of John and Abigail Adams

            “This society [Jesuits] has been a greater calamity to mankind than the French Revolution, or Napoleon’s despotism or ideology. It has obstructed the progress of reformation and the improvement of the human mind in society much longer and more fatally.
            {Letter to Thomas Jefferson, November 4, 1816. Adams wrote an anonymous 4 volume work on the destructive history of the Jesuits}”
            ― John Adams, Adams-Jefferson Letters

            “Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, ‘This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!”
            ― John Adams, Adams-Jefferson Letters

            Identifying with our differences rather than our similarities makes us dangerous to one another.
            I know that in my everyday life, it’s the principles of humility, kindness, empathy, patience, manners that are valued the most. The quality of my spiritual connection on any given day is reflected in how well I express these principles during my day-to-day interactions.
            How interesting that the further away from “us” our “leaders” get: Left-Right or In-the-Middle, the less they tend to express those principles.

            Thanks again for sharing some of your thoughts we me tonight, temporary guest.

          • temporary guest

            I read years ago that Abraham Lincoln was accused of being an atheist because he did not attend regular church services. When asked about it, he replied (probably not exact, I am quoting from memory here) “I hold these to be the two great laws, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind and with all thy strength, and, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. When I find a church that holds these two as its’ only creed, I’ll join that church.”

            Also, a more contemporary observation by Ravi Zacharias (not a direct quote, but I think it accurately represents what he said): You cannot judge a religion by its’ abuses. It must be judged by its’ pristine virtues and values.

            I guess the problem is that men can always find a way to turn even the most beautiful creations and thoughts of God into something to be ashamed of.

            That’s not Gods fault.

            As Christians, those of us who call ourselves that, all any of us can do is try. A good look at history will show that the effort very often pays off. Our founders ended the Declaration of Independence with this statement:

            ” And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

            “Firm reliance upon the protection of Divine Providence” … well… it worked, and if it no longer seems to be working, that’s because we no longer hold lives to be precious in the sight of God, and we no longer hold honor to be sacred… in fact, the only thing most of us hold to be sacred these days is our own opinions.

            Perhaps we have also forgotten that the kind of faith it takes to move mountains generally carries a pick and a shovel. LOL

      • Defend America

        You seem to express great anger with the thought that one might I repeat might try to push religion on you. Do you know are even care how we have felt for the past 50 years on how you lobbyist have shoved down our throats all o your BS.

        Take Christmas out of our vocabulary it is Happy Holidays. BS.
        Get rid of the thoughts Christians have against abortion. BS
        You must go against your beliefs so as to not hurt one’s feelings. BS
        Stop prayer in schools. BS. Yet you want to allow the teaching the Koran.
        Climate change . BS
        Don’t do this. Don’t do that. Don’t eat this.

        We are sick of liberals trying to tell the world how they should think and live. I remember a church group coming to my home in Oklahoma and they told me lies about their religion. Guess what I shut my front door. Problem solved.

        • BoundlessExistence

          You are obviously another med flushing paranoid schizophrenic!

          • biilyjoe

            That’s strange. That’s how I picture you.

          • temporary guest

            An you apparently don’t know the difference between “boundless” and “restricted” thinking.

          • Defend America

            Your a fruitcake.

        • mallen11

          You are absolutely correct. The government has no right telling us how to live our lives and what to believe except when it comes to criminality.

      • Bullywugger

        You have no more freedom FROM religion as I have from the religion of Climate Change. Religion is out there, you’re going to hear it and see it. People and communities will display it. You have no more right to deny their right to express their religion than I have to deny climate changers their right to spew forth there lies. Though the climate changers would like to pass a law saying I must believe as they do or go to jail. THAT IS against the amendment because it would be a state enforced religion I would have to fall in line with.

        • Nancy E

          There is climate change and it’s been happening for thousands of years.

          • Bullywugger

            Yes the climate has been changing for thousands of years, it’s been a lot hotter and a lot colder, and all without humans causing any of it. According to climatologists we are actually still in a mini ice age so seeing the temp going up is to be expected. Man has so little impact on climate change that if ALL man made interference was removed you would see no impact at lowering or rising the temp. Now with this said, your comment has no relevance to the point I was making in the above statement.

          • Nancy E

            I agree with your statement except for one thing. I believe that the human factor and a lack of pollution control (China, India) has altered the natural evolving of the climate.

          • Bullywugger

            You can believe that if you want, just don’t force me to.

      • Ron

        Freedom “from” religion is total BS. What we have is a government that is prohibited from restricting religious exercise, especially speech. You have the right to preach your religion of hatred of God, just as much as anyone else has their right to preach their religion of love of God.

      • gerald Hughes

        Then all of you liberal scum had better buy weapons and kevlar, you garbage have been walking the edge of civil war for 8 years, that would do it.

      • klsparrow

        There is nothing in the Jefferson letter of 1/1/1802 that says anything about establishment of a religion are forcing religion on people. You quote the establishment clause that is just what Jefferson was conveying to the Danbury Baptist that Government would not interfere in religion and this is what the letter deals with. In 1947 the SCOTUS changed the intent of the letter to suit what ideological beliefs were. The words shall make NO LAW are key. Some one putting lets say the 10 commandments are any religious symbol on Gov. property does not make any laws. Some may not like that but it still makes no law. It takes more that me putting a symbol on Gov. property to make law.The 1947 action is something that could be undone. Want to make a change get a constitutional amendment to broaden the Make No Law statement to include a symbol.

    • klsparrow,
      I have been beating this drum for quite awhile. Jefferson’s response to the Danbury Baptist Convention was totally taken out of context. The Danbury Baptist Convention never said a word about separation of church and state. They argued that religion was under attack by the federal government and Jefferson began by saying he agreed with them. That was the specific issue by the Danbury Baptist Convention and had absolutely nothing to do with the Supreme Court’s opinion on the church and state comment. It had to do with federal intervention into the religious moral conscience of the Danbury Baptist Convention.

      Thanks for the support.

      • AdvocateNurse

        “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding…

        {Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823}”
        ― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

        • AdvocateNurse,
          SO? You take what Jefferson said to John Adams in Jefferson’s defense of Christianity to make it sound like Jefferson was not a Christian. He was actually discussing an atheist whom he denounced. Nothing like taking something out of context.

          • AdvocateNurse

            ‘So much for your quotation of Calvin’s ‘mon dieu! jusqu’a quand’ in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance. may we meet there again, in Congress, with our antient Colleagues, and recieve with them the seal of approbation ‘Well done, good and faithful servants.’
            https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-3446

          • AdvocateNurse,
            I am having a problem wiht your spefific message here. Jefferson is struggling with the issue of a trinity godhead in this writing. He seems to struggle with what the Greek says in John Chapter one. I am not sure why. He says Logos in the Greek means Reason and not Word. Of course that is not true. I have many quotes of Jefferson’s belief in Jesus and God. He sounds very Deist in this writing. During his time as President he had considerable interest in having church in the US capitol. He had favorite preachers, including a Baptist one whose name escape me just now. He did agree with what the Danbury Baptist Convention wrote to him about in his response to them.concerning federal government interference with religious right of moral conscience, which is his stance on separation of church in that the federal government had no right under the First Amendment.The first Amendment says, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. Since the religion of the colonies was Christianity,that is clearly the reference.
            regardless of what anyone may think, there is considerable documentation that Jefferson took the Christian religion very serious.

          • biilyjoe

            Thanks for answering this quack that needs an advocate nurse from a mental asylum. S/he/it keeps cutting and pasting and sending irrelevant responses to me–when s/he/it should be watching her mullah’s farewell lies/address on tv.

          • billyjoe,
            I also got after Buzz Waldron. I get sick of these people who spout off and never defend what they say or cut-and-paste BS. In the case of your whatever “lady” the message I got was not a cut and paste but was from a very liberal source.

          • biilyjoe

            Thanks. Advocate Nurse or whatever the cuckoo name is, has done nothing but ‘cut and paste’ quotes that are unrelated to the point–strict diversions–I read them and realize they’re unrelated to the topic. And I believe this ‘nurse’ knows it; this ‘nurse’ should be a patient in some mental institution.

          • biilyjoe,
            AdvocateNurse confused me initially but I saw through the scam by the second one. This is an old liberal collection of baloney about Jefferson that goes back to about 1800, created by federalist and liberal minded clergy in the northern states.

            The fact is that Jefferson created special “Bibles” for individuals to use to convert Indian in New England and as far south as Virginia. He did delete the Miracle of Jesus believing that Indian concepts could never understand them. Liberal have pounced on that for decades. They called them “Jefferson Bibles” to create the idea that Jefferson reinvented the Bible to suit his own ideas. But his own personal Bible is on record and his outlines on Christian issues are tabulated in it. Those outlined Scriptures are pure conservative Christianity.
            See, Harry S. Randall, The Life of Thomas Jefferson,(New York : Derby and Jackson, 1858) Vol. III, p.654

          • biilyjoe

            Thank you and may God Bless you and sustain your patience. I was totally unaware of these facts but I nevertheless was certain that Nurse was cut-and-pasting irrelevant mumbo jumbo to me.

          • biilyjoe,
            If you need anymore info on Jefferson, I have lots of it.
            did you catch my post about his “quote” on sparation of church and state?

          • biilyjoe

            Yes, Jerry. Great info. Thanks for the offer.

        • biilyjoe

          Is that all you’re capable of ?? Cut and paste ? Quack !

    • klsparrow,
      Thank you for speaking out on an issue I have spoken out on for some time. I agree that the Danbury Baptist Convention was speaking out on federal encroachment on their religious liberty and urged Jefferson as the incoming President to deal with it. Jefferson responded by first saying he agreed with them. His comment on separation of church and state had to do with federal interference with religious moral beliefs. The federal government cannot deal with religious moral belief. They are a secular body who can deal only with secular issues.

      • Buzz Waldron

        And religion can only deal with religious issues… if they aren’t breaking any secular laws in the process…

        • Buzz,
          Apparently you need a refresher on the First Amendment. It says NO PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. Nowhere does it provide for government interference with moral conviction. That was the concern of the Danbury Baptist Convention in a letter to Thomas Jefferson in October 1801. His response on January 1, 1802 was that he agreed with them and went on to say he would keep the federal government OUT of religious conscience.

          • Buzz Waldron

            You need the refresher! The Govt is definitely going to interfere in the murderous ways of ALL religions !!!

            99% of DAILY Religious Terrorism in the USA is Christian Religious Terrorism !!! :

            Footnoted small sample of Judeo/Christian Religious Terrorism WRITTEN ORDERS direct from the Christian BuyBull (Quran has even more) for Murdering of innocent people:

            “Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for WAR, my fingers for BATTLE.” Psalm 144:1.

            Jesus: “ Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a SWORD. 35 For I have come to turn…
            “a man against his father,
            a daughter against her mother,
            a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law…” Mathew10:34-35

            Jesus, who wanted to be King of the Jews, said: “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and KILL them in front of me.” (Luke 19:27)

            Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be STONED TO DEATH by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

            Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be PUT TO DEATH. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

            If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, KILL them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

            If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and KILL ALL of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

            KILL anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

            KILL all men, women, children, and, even, babies already of the 20 nations/50 belief systems/religions of the Promised Land when moving into it. (Deuteronomy)

            Imaginary Jesus of gospel stories said his followers must obey the Torah/Old Testament (N.T. not invented yet) (Jesus invented ~150 A.D.)

          • biilyjoe

            Fake info from a Troll, you. Jesus altered the Old Testament and his chief command was to love God and love your neighbor as yourself—the exact opposite of Muhammad and his allah, the sunni moon god.

          • Buzz Waldron

            You are a liar! Every order to murder I listed is still in your Christian BuyBull !!! .. According to the gospels, the imaginary Jesus character blinded and murdered people by age 12… was arrested, tried, and hung for his numerous crimes…

          • biilyjoe

            WOW !! You really need to throw away the Obama-Trayvon Skittles Kool-Aid. See your psych and get back to serious meds.

          • Buzz,
            As usual people like you do not read things in context. The Bible is its own best commentary. The Old Testament did cal for preparing for war because war hit the Hebrew people like it did every other people in the known world. We do that yet today. It is done by secular government, though. Do I favor war? Certainly not. But I do not oppose defense, either.
            Many of your quotes from the New Testament are from Jesus’ parables. These were examples of issues not involving war or killings. For example, Luke 19:27 is the last words of a parable Jesus used. It concerns faithfulness, not actual killing. Matt. 10:34 is not about an actual sword but Jesus proclamation of the Sword of Truth.
            These are but two of your lifting Scripture out of context, a usual ploy by liberals.
            As for the Quran, the situation is different. It does say some pretty evil things. But it never follows up with any sort of explanation. Therefore comments abut killings and violence are indefensible. However much of the Quran are peaceful and positive. If only all Muslims followed those parts and ignored the others. Many actually do. But in its present form it does open the door for extremist Islamic terror groups to abuse the religion. That is not true of the Bible which destroys any reason for anything but peace or defense.

          • VINCENT POLLIZZOTTO

            PERFECTLY SAID NY FRIEND, ” LIBERALISM IS MENTAL DISORDER” .

          • Vincent,
            You are too kind to liberals.

        • ctroop

          Buzz … Not entirely true. A church can deal with ANY issues it so chooses, be they religious or secular … UNLESS they are under a 501(c)(3). But I, as a private citizen, can (if I wanted to) form a group, or an association, and we can call ourselves, “Christian Soldiers for Donald Trump.” We could meet, and talk about, and publish (and distribute) ANYTHING we wanted to!

          While the federal government would hate it (probably) and ALL liberals would hate it (hopefully) there would be absolutely NOTHING either of them, separately or together could do about it.

          The “establishment clause” forbids congress (the government) from sticking its nose into the activities of religion. It does NOT forbid religion (the church) from sticking its nose into the activities of the government! Only liberal judicial activists (who hate the constitution) believe, or actually wish, otherwise.

    • J.B. Young

      The left twists everything to fit their agenda.

    • Buzz Waldron

      To start with: ALL religions are evil mental illness… Jefferson knew that… What part of “Separation between…” don’t you understand? Keep them separate… let all religions die from nonsupport of their 10,000 B.C. evil…

      • AdvocateNurse

        “[Christianity is] the most … perverted system that ever shone on man.”
        ― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

        • AdvocateNurse,
          Again I am having a hard time with the sources you have furnished. There are a lot of sources by liberals going back the 1800 that have labeled Jefferson as a Deist. I suspect this is among them. I have literally hundreds of documentation on Jefferson and none even suggest he was not a Christian. He was born and raised as an Anglican. He was fond of conservative Christian pastors and created Bibles for use in converting Native Americans in New England and Virginia But there are some old and relatively new articles suggesting that Jefferson was a Deist. Well, Deists were not atheists. They did believe in God but through other means than the Bible, mostly by reason.

      • Buzz,
        At it again, are you? I notice you are all talk and furnish nothing to support what you say.
        Do you know that the Constitution never mentions separation of church and state? Do you know that Jefferson was credited with saying that but it had nothing to do with what the Supreme Court claimed. Therefore the federal government, including the Supreme Court, has taken that saying way out of context. Jefferson was defending the Christian right to not be controlled by the federal government in any way. Maybe you should read and digest what the First Amendment actually says.

      • biilyjoe

        Shouldn’t you be sitting in your safe space watching your Caliph’s Farewell TaqiyyahLies address tonight ?

    • Kissingfan

      When LBJ was elected vice president, John F. Kennedy was elected president. That election saw the Roman Catholic nuns being bussed in to the polls because they thought Kennedy was such a good Catholic that they had to do all they could to get him elected. It was the first time that it was such a site to see them all lining up to vote for Kennedy. At least in my community, this was quite a spectacle.

    • AdvocateNurse

      “The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster cruel vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging three headed beast like god one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes fools and hypocrites. ”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

      • klsparrow

        The Christian god is a three headed monster

        This quotation has not been found in any writings of Thomas Jefferson. However,A collection of paraphrases of comments made in multiple Jefferson letters: it does bear some slight resemblance to several genuine Jefferson quotations, so it is feasible that the above could be traced back to these. On 8 December 1822, Jefferson wrote to James Smith.

        No historical fact is better established than that the doctrine of one god, pure and uncompounded was that of the early ages of Christianity; and was among the efficacious doctrines which gave it triumph over the polytheism of the antients, sickened with the absurdities of their own theology. Nor was the unity of the supreme being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government wielded at the will of the fanatic Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus with one body and three heads had it’s birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs. And a strong proof of the solidity of the primitive faith is it’s restoration as soon as a nation arises which vindicates to itself the freedom of religious opinion, and it’s eternal divorce from the civil authority. The pure and simply unity of the creator of the universe is now all but ascendant in the Eastern states; it is dawning in the West, and advancing towards the South; and I confidently expect that the present generation will see Unitarianism become the general religion of the United states. The Eastern presses are giving us many excellent pieces on the subject, and Priestly’s learned writings on it are, or should be in every hand. In fact the Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one is so incomprehensible to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea. He who thinks he does only decieves himself. He proves also that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder is the sport of every wind. With such persons gullability which they call faith takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck

        Jefferson does also use the
        phrase “fools and hypocrites” (although not as such) in his famous
        passage in Query 17 on religion in his Notes on the State of Virginia:

        Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

  • temporary guest

    Isn’t the Johnson amendment pretty much overlooked if the religious bodies practicing politics from the pulpit are black, democrat congregations?

    If not, how did Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton make all their money?

    • biilyjoe

      Yes. It has been applied selectively–even allowing criminals, black ‘ministers’ like jesse jackson and al sharpton to not only campaign and bring politicians into black churches, but also allowing them to run for president of the U S , with absolutely zero repercussions.

      • temporary guest

        Yes. I remember Jesse Jackson running for president, talking about “400 years of the chains of slavery” when the only chains he’s ever worn are the gold ones put around his neck by black folks he’s always helped to believe that life on the government plantation is the only freedom they’ll ever know…. Of course, he wouldn’t dream of being honest enough to say so.

        • biilyjoe

          Right. The same gold ones he must have sold as he robbed his Rainbow Foundation of hundreds of thousands of dollars back around 1995 when he bought a home for his ‘baby mamma’ in Los Angeles. Some ‘reverend’. And he was the ‘confessor’ for The Clintons in the white house during the Monica Lewinsky Affair– what a JOKE.

      • AdvocateNurse

        “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”
        ― Thomas Jefferson

        • biilyjoe

          Not the priests I know. And you’re quoting a planter who owned slaves, used at least one as a mistress , like a monica lewinsky, and certainly was no expert on Catholicism. And our first President and war hero, George Washington, disagreed. He attended , ecumenically, both Anglican and Roman Catholic Church mass on Sundays. Take your anti-Catholic , anti-Christian theism/atheism to Cuba–along with yourself.

          • AdvocateNurse

            “The foundation of our Empire was not laid in the gloomy age of Ignorance and Superstition, but at an Epocha when the rights of Mankind were better understood and more clearly defined, than at any former period, the researches of the human mind after social happiness have been carried to a great extent, the Treasures of knowledge, acquired by the labours of Philosophers, Sages, and Legislators, through a long succession [of] years, are laid open for our use, and their collected wisdom may be happily applied in the Establishment of our Forms of Government, the free cultivation of Letters, the unbounded extension of Commerce, the progressive refinement of Manners, the growing liberality of sentiment, and above all, the pure and benign light of Revelation, have had a meliorating influence on Mankind and increased the blessings of Society; At this auspicious period, the United States came into existence as a Nation, and if their Citizens should not be compleatly Free and Happy, the fa[u]lt will be entirely their own. [Circular to the States, 8 June 1783 – Writings 26:484–89]” ― George Washington, Writings

            http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/george-washington-to-john-hancock-circular-11-june-1783/

          • biilyjoe

            And this proves what? Do you even comprehend what Washington said. I’m from the city where George Washington attended Sunday services at both Anglican (which he was a practicing one) as well as Roman Catholic churches.
            I don’t think you’re capable of anything but “cut and paste”. Most 3rd Graders routinely do that.

            Shouldn’t you be at your cauldron cooking up something for Baal OR at least watching your mullah’s farewell speech tonight–and shedding tears like a clueless snowflake ?

  • Mathew Molk

    The “revrent” Sharpton and Jeremiah, Baby, Wright were exempted, though. MLK too. LBJ was such a man of vision.

    • Janet Julien

      Yeah, LBJ saw the oppressed,, i.e.poor Blacks and Chicanos at the time, as a near inexhaustible source of Democratic votes if he could get their votes bought with welfare money.I’m ashamed he was from Texas

    • CorrectionPlease

      Johnson was a personally vulgar, liberal political opportunist who stopped at nothing to extend the socialist policies of FDR.

  • JohnGaltTexas

    You don’t have to scratch too deep into a leftist (demoncRAT, progressive, communist, social justice warrior et al) to uncover the intolerant fascist vermin under that thin snowflake veneer. The same kind of intolerant fascist vermin that have brutalized, silenced, enslaved and murdered over 100 million souls in the last century alone to protect and propagate their filthy, evil ideology. Make no mistake, most of these vile, evil cretins would just as soon see you dead rather than brook any dissent or opinions that don’t conform exactly to their own. This is not a theory or speculation, this is historical fact. The left and their ignorant sycophants must be resoundingly defeated with extreme prejudice at all costs – and I mean both physically and philosophically. The “PC” police should be the first to go. We won’t have anything resembling a United States of America if we don’t.

  • BLESSED

    The separation of church and state,,,,,, is the keep the state out of the church. Its to protect the church ! The fore fathers used biblical principles in everything they did…,,,,,,,,that is why we have been such a great country<<<<( we use to be a God fearing country )

  • doloreseilerts

    LGBT. FEDERAL FELON ILLEGAL ALIENS.
    USE 300% MORE RESOURCeS. SUCK MORE CASH.
    THAN ALL OF USA BORN CHILDREN AND AMERICAN VETS PUT TOGETHET.
    THEY ARE PARASITES. TRUMP MAY NEED “RAID” to put them in their closet cut their free ride.
    THEY USE TAX DOLLARS TO PAY DEMOCRAPS TO PASS LEGISLATION TO MAKE THEM AND MUSL8MS GENOCIDAL TYRANTS.
    AND HAVE PAID FOR OBAMAO REGIME TO COMKIT. GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND PRO MORAL AND ETHICAL AMERICANS

  • doloreseilerts

    GENOCIDAL SPEECH BY ISIS. HIS WORDS.SAME AS OBAMAO AND BLM DEMOCRAPS.
    WE WILL RID THE EARTH OF CHRISTIANS AND AETHEISTS.

  • Larry Brule

    WELL, THE BLACK CHURCHES IN THE SOUTH HAVE BROKEN THIS LAW SI
    NCE ’63. PASTORS PAID TO BOOST DEMS WITHIN THEIR CONGRATIONS.

  • jong

    First get rid of ginzburg and after ole jug ears is shown not to have been able to put in any Justices in the first place. Then you run it into them saying that it violated the First Amendment and can not stand. Now, if that bill is also part of another and it does not have a “stand alone rule” the whole law should perhaps be tossed.

  • While I agree that generally churches should stay out of politics, sometimes it has a right to speak out on Unconstitutional abuse of religious liberty.

  • jcurtis595

    The Johnson amendment is sound and should remain. There is no free speech issue involved. The Johnson amendment doesn’t say that a minister or church can’t fully engaged in politics. What’s involved is a subsidy from the Federal government in the way of tax relief. To keep that subsidy a religious organization must not actively engage in politics. Any church, minister, etc. can become a political activist. They or he just can’t get a tax subsidy if they do so. Us taxpayers cover the cost of government services, including police and fire protections, for religious organizations. To many this is unfair, but it is justified because they are supposed to be doing charitable good works. When they leave that realm they are just like you and me and should pay tax.

  • topmah

    But black churches were clearly exempt since they’re notorious for their openly political actions, yet are never held accountable. But let white churches attempt the same & voila! they’re threatened with prosecution under this mandate–time to stop the bias, bigotry & blatant racism aimed at whites which this law represents.

  • Gary

    If there was true separation of church and state then the courts wouldn’t even be able to hear any case involving the church or religious freedoms

  • nrnowlin

    This tragic fascist unconstitutional breach of the First Amendment freedom of religion clause was proposed and courted by a fascist socialist U.S. Senator, LBJ, who became U.S. President by default. JFK should have fully realized Johnson’s fascist unconstitutional promotions in 1954, and should have never considered him for Vice-President. But perhaps Kennedy had known about Johnson had succeeded in forcing on the republic, and had supported it. What is stranger still is that the Johnson Amendment was never challenged in court as unconstitutional. It was never tried in federal court and was never declared unconstitutional by the federal judiciary, which it should have been. There are many such rulings that have been imposed on the American people, which Mr. Trump should abrogate.

  • Edgar Skinner

    Freedom of speech will prevail in our Churches again soon.

  • Roger

    Donald Trump is so right so often about so much, that it is unbelievable! He is an unstoppable genius!

  • Donovan Blaylock

    It is past time. Only white church’s were not allowed to talk about the government. Look at Obama’s Pastor reverend Wright.

  • robert sanders

    THAT WOULD BE GREAT. DO IT TRUMP.

  • Mark

    Eliminating the anti-Christian Johnson Amendment was the sole BIGGEST reason God is putting Trump in to the presidency. It is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT thing Trump MUST do. then the Pastors and Preachers will have to do the rest.

  • Howlingmad

    Getting rid of such a law, will be a GOOD THING, for “Everyone” !. It will just be getting RID OF, “Democratic Foolishness” . . . an RETURN of “Complete Free Speech”, that has been long DENIED !.

  • Buzz Waldron

    It’s quite simple: If churches become political organizations, they have to pay taxes like any other political organization !!!

  • Buzz Waldron

    ALL RELIGIONS = ADDICTION to being lied to, an ENFORCED PSYCHOSIS, and WRITTEN ORDERS to MURDER EVERYONE on the planet! .. i.e. Armageddon, Left Behind movies, Story of Noah’s Ark…

    Normal Person = NO addictions and NO mental illnesses

    Religic/Theist = person with religion addiction, religion psychosis, and orders to murder everyone

    Atheist = Person with NO religion addiction/religion psychosis/religious murderous desires, but may have other addictions and other mental illnesses

    All religions require their customers to blindly psychotically believe imaginary supernatural being(s) are REAL…

    ADDICTIONS are the biggest threat to the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, Russia, China and all the world !!!

    ++++ The Six Big ADDICTIONS to AVOID like the PLAGUE !!! ++++

    1. DRUG ADDICTION including alcohol addiction/alcoholics and nicotine addiction/smokers

    2. RELIGION ADDICTION/PSYCHOSIS religics, theists, religious terrorists, clergy

    3. HOMOSEXUALITY ADDICTION (most homosexics admit they have an addiction)

    4. OBESITY ADDICTION fat

    5. COUCH POTATO/SLOTH ADDICTION

    6. GREED ADDICTION (EvilBushJr. – Kill for profits)

  • Buzz Waldron

    99% of DAILY Religious Terrorism in the USA is Christian Religious Terrorism !!! :

    Footnoted small sample of Judeo/Christian Religious Terrorism WRITTEN ORDERS direct from the Christian BuyBull (Quran has even more) for Murdering of innocent people:

    “Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for WAR, my fingers for BATTLE.” Psalm 144:1.

    Jesus: “ Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a SWORD. 35 For I have come to turn…
    “a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law…” Mathew10:34-35

    Jesus, who wanted to be King of the Jews, said: “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and KILL them in front of me.” (Luke 19:27)

    Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be STONED TO DEATH by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

    Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be PUT TO DEATH. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

    If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, KILL them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

    If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and KILL ALL of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

    KILL anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

    KILL all men, women, children, and, even, babies already of the 20 nations/50 belief systems/religions of the Promised Land when moving into it. (Deuteronomy)

    Imaginary Jesus of gospel stories said his followers must obey the Torah/Old Testament (N.T. not invented yet) (Jesus invented ~150 A.D.)

    • temporary guest

      If they gave out awards for perverting the Bible, you’d get the blue ribbon. You lift a statement here and a comment there and imply conclusions without any thought or regard to the context of the whole Bible. To those who ARE familiar with the whole thing, all you’ve done here is demonstrate ignorance.

    • Missourian

      You’re silly!

  • Kissingfan

    Mike and Linda, you are right. But I would add that those who are always yelling about their rights and demanding their rights also have a responsibility to respect the rights of others. The cannot step on your rights to satisfy their rights. Therefore, the freedom to practice my religion cannot be blocked or stopped by those who choose to disregard all religion.

  • Marilyn K Lahi

    Please repeal!!!!.

  • Leibe ist reise

    Something the left is missing in this, is that it includes not just religious, but ALL tax exempt organizations and nonprofits. Perhaps it’s time to fight them with their own tactics. Planned Parenthood, as with a number of other liberal tax exempt nonprofits, have been flagrantly violating this amendment for years. Think a class-action lawsuit to end their tax exempt status might work?

  • ctroop

    If I led a Bible study group that would grow to the point of the members wanting to form a church, I would not continue to lead the group if the members wanted to incorporate under a 501(c)(3).

    ALL such religious organizations with 501(c)(3)s have placed themselves under the authority of the federal government. If the churches would get themselves out from under those, they would then be free to preach and publish anything they want and the Federal government could be told to go pack sand … or themselves!

    And it’s NOT just about supporting political candidates … it’s about the federal government threatening to “pull” those 501(c)(3)s IF a pastor should dare to preach a message on the subject of what the Bible says about “moral issues” … and some pervert feels “offended!”

    Of course loss of the 501(c)(3) means no more tax exempt receipts for their financial supporters. But there’s an upside to that issue also. People will then support their churches “as unto the Lord” and NOT just for that tax receipt … It would also close down a lot of all those mega-church phonies and fake preachers … maybe even most of them.

  • ctroop

    Hmmm! I kinda disagree with that arm swinging analogy. In practice … as far as my right to self defense goes … your right to swing your arms (read fists) … does NOT stop “before the tip of my nose,” but the moment you aim it AT ME! MY job (at that point) is to STOP your fist from contacting my nose … ever again!

  • Benjamin Michel

    He said he would so I hope that he keeps his word!! That should had never been a law to start with! That is stopping free speach

  • Build a burger

    The only guy in the world who looks like the commie’s stereotype conservative, was LBJ.