Angry Atheist Harasses Senior Citizens’ Bible Studies, Worship, Through HOA

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(Kaylee McGhee, Liberty Headlines) A California court has upheld a legal challenge brought against a homeowners’ association for an elderly community, after they forced residents to shut down their Bible studies and a Sunday worship service.

Godless Resident Harasses Senior Citizens' Bible Studies, Worship, Through HOAPacific Justice Institute, a conservative legal defense organization, brought a lawsuit against Solera at Kern Canyon earlier this year. The retirement community is home to numerous interest groups like book clubs and a water aerobics team, according to PJI.

Residents formed a men’s Bible study ten years ago, and soon two different women’s Bible studies followed. In 2014 the same residents began to offer an informal worship service on Sundays for those who had difficulty with physically leaving the retirement community.

Those services quickly became the most popular weekly meeting in the community, with many from outside the retirement community attending. The worship service did not take offerings, and it was led by a retired pastor who did not receive a salary.

Late last year an anti-religious resident demanded the groups be shut down, claiming they were offensive. He even went so far as to suggest that the Romans should have “finished the Christians off while they had the chance,” according to PJI’s press release.

In response, the homeowner’s association Board ordered all four groups to stop meeting in the community’s clubhouse indefinitely. A resident then filed suit in late December, so the Board allowed the groups to resume meeting while it considered restrictions.

“The association, instead of getting qualified legal counsel, went ahead and quickly caved in and banned the usage of this senior citizens’ clubhouse for church services even though they allowed other groups to use the facility with no problem,” Brad Dacus, the president of PJI, told OneNewsNow.

PJI then joined the suit, claiming if other groups are permitted to meet on the retirement community’s property, religious ones cannot be denied.

At a hearing held last Thursday in Kern County Superior Court, the judge rejected four motions on behalf of the homeowner’s association and its Board of Directors to shield itself from the punitive damages of the lawsuit.

“We are encouraged that the court recognized the seriousness of the allegations in this suit,” Matt McReynolds, the PJI attorney who represented the groups’ leaders last week at the hearing, said. “While it is not our clients’ desire to punish or be vindictive toward anyone, they simply want to worship in peace, and they continue to face harassment and hostility unlike any other group in the community.”

PJI said they expect the next clash in the case to be over new draft rules and regulations that, if implemented, could allow the Board to shut down one or more of the four religious groups, giving them the authority to shut down any group they deem to be causing division or embarrassment.

“We’re seeking full injunctive relief to protect the right of senior citizens and these communities, who otherwise often can’t go to church on their own, to be able to worship and not be inhibited from doing so by a hostile homeowners association,” Dacus told OneNewsNow. “We cannot allow a heckler’s veto to be successful at the cost of religious freedom for others.”

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  • Joe Samo

    Has nothing to do with the story but this link is an eye opening read.
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    • Karen

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  • E_Ruff

    If you don’t want to participate in the bible study, then don’t participate but leave everyone else alone. Oh wait, that’s not the liberal way.

    • Linda Lee

      You are right. If even just one liberal says they are offended by something someone is doing; they seem to have an awful lot of clout.

    • Juanita

      Very interesting. The usual argument is that such gatherings violate separation of church and state. Where in the Constitution does it state that religious practices must cease because someone finds them offensive?

      • Sally Koller

        Liberals don’t seem to understand that separation of church and state was also to protect all religions from the government.

        • Prester James

          Unfortunately, the California judiciary makes up its own
          rules.
          Time to find a nice place in another state. and for the rest of us to help as we can.

          • Sally Koller

            Choose a conservative State of you can Prester.

          • Prester James

            I grew up in New York City. In 1995 my family and I moved to America. America’s better. Get out of New
            York Metro (basically Boston to Atlanta) and the West Coast, and every state, with the exception of Illinois, which is a mess, is a “conservative state.”
            Under Mr. Trump, we finally have jobs out here and the country’s going back to work, which has infuriated the Left to the point where they’re beating people up and foaming at the mouth on television and in print. We mainly ignore the media. And Mr. Soros’ paid “revolutionaries” don’t bother us much, because we’re armed–or might be–because defending yourself from an attacker isn’t illegal, out here.
            Americans do things the Left sneer at, like smile at, and say good morning to, each other.
            Come on out, Sally. You might even experience men holding the occasional door open for you, or standing up when you walk into a room. It’s a sign of respect –real respect, not the phony kind the Left
            sells. You might like it.
            The stereotypes are silly, too. I’m a Trump supporter,
            even bought a coffee mug from the Trump Store. I
            have two Master’s Degrees (3.7 and change combined average), and don’t need or use spell-check. I have lots of friends like that, too.
            By the way–I’ve been beaten at both chess and Scrabble by a guy with a bachelor’s degree who
            drove an eighteen-wheeler for three years and now
            lives in a trailer on a small farm. You never know…

          • Sally Koller

            Good for you Prestor!

          • Louie Rey

            Love your story Prester. I live on Long Island, which is one of the few conservative areas in southern New York, and I’m a huge (or is it yuge?) supporter of our President. However, I’m eventually moving to South Carolina. You think I’ll be good there? It is on the East Coast you know.

          • Prester James

            I think you’ll be great there, Louie! Go for it!

        • Super90

          I’m a liberal and I understand that.

          • Sally Koller

            Good for you !

      • This has nothing to do with Church and State. It is a homeowner’s association. If they allow one group to use the community center then they must allow all groups. This is equal rights not a religious issue. I can’t see how this one person can make the rules. The association management has to follow the Board of Directors requests and the by laws. If there are no restrictions in the by-laws then they cannot deny any group from meeting.

        • Juanita

          I did not make myself clear. Of course, this is not a matter of church and state. However, even where it is inapplicable, as is the case here, some idiot alleges that as a basis for opposition of anything directly or remotely related to religion.

          Now, the frenzy has reached the point , where almost any religious reference or observance is atacked and those against whom the charge is leveled are so weak-kneed that they cave in. For example, in this case, why did the homeowner’s association “drop dead” because one person finds an activity he does not participate in offensive? It is the chilling effect that exist based on the mistaken notion that anything with religious reference which occurs in a secular setting is verbotim.

          A prime example is the recent case where a valedictorian student was told that he could not give the speech he had planned for his graduation ceremony because it “was too religious.” In the planned speech, he was
          making references about his faith and how it influenced his life, aspirations, and goals. The story has a happy ending, another site was offered where most of the graduation attendees reassembled and he gave his speech.

    • Susiev

      There’s a real A-hole for you!

    • Sandy129

      I taught a Bible study at the elderly apartment complex’s community room on Monday nights for an hour. At first the others were very respectful and not bother us or else come in and excuse themselves and leave. After 2 years different tenants moved in and they began watching TV, starting doing laundry or doing puzzles with loud talking and it seemed they just didn’t want to attend but didn’t want anyone else to either. We ended up meeting in different ladies apartments for some peace and quiet. We all want to have the freedoms we cherish here in America but more and more its “my rights” at the expense of “yours.”

    • rennyangel2

      The lefties never have a live and let live attitude. It is the leftie way or the courts.

      • Super90

        Nonsense. Don’t paint all liberals as the same, or you’re no better than they are.

        • rennyangel2

          Tut-tut. Don’t clutch your pearls so tightly–you’ll strangle yourself.

        • tammy

          You are right. I have some friends who are very liberal, but every time I make a negative remark about liberals. I kinda feel sick in the stomach. Why? Because those liberal friends are very good people, with a different point of view. It’s not the liberals who are the problem, it is the Progressives who have changed the definition of words to confuse what they are saying. The good ole liberals are nothing like the liberals of today. The liberals most people know are Kennedy liberals. People trying to do the right thing and thinking the Dems are still Dems, they are not. The leaders of the Dem. Party are Progressives/socialists/globalists

    • Super90

      No, that’s just a few radical left wingers, just like it’s only a few religious righties who want to shove religion down everyone’s throat.

      I’m a liberal and its the very point of true liberalism that everyone be allowed to live their lives in peace.

      • tammy

        That is the old definition of liberal. The Dems change the meanings of words. Liberal now means anything goes, the more immoral, the better, Everyone must agree with what we believe,
        or we will make you agree. You must be one of the old blue dog liberals who still believe in decency and the Kennedy type liberalism. You are no longer part of the liberal ideology

        • Sharon Chesher

          Well said… I agree wholeheartedly!

      • Prester James

        It is the point of Conservatism to let people lives their lives in peace, because that’s he thrust of the Constitution. The Liberal version of “live your life in peace” is “purge everyone who doesn’t agree with us.

        A stable society cannot exist where a man who “self-identifies” as a “woman” for a few minutes can enter your daughter’s shower room or bathroom. A stable society cannot exist where feral children with iron pikes, knifing people and smashing downtown areas
        are called “protesters,” and where he adults who are supposed to be helping them to form consciences applaud their “self-expression.” A stable society cannot exist where
        people who shoot police officers are featured on national television so they can whine
        about “oppression.” A stable society cannot exist where the answer to all problems is to tax out of existence the only people and organizations that provide jobs.(yes, it’s their tax money that enables government jobs, too).

        A stable society cannot exist where “ebonics” is taught as an academic discipline
        and where history, civics and spelling are considered irrelevant; where actual achievement is considered “elitist” and where all awards are for “participation.”

        A stable society cannot exist where the chairhuman of the Wisconsin Democratic Party can get away with including voter registration forms in “welcome packages” for illegal aliens

        Yet, the “freedom” to destabilize society is at the very heart of Liberalism. If you
        object, on grounds that your own freedom may be violated in the process, there are those who will be happy to pressure your feckless boss to fire you, instruct their corrupt courts to penalize you or one of their “protest groups” to vandalize, injure
        or kill you.

        The “liberalism” you’re talking about ended with Adlai Stevenson, JFK and Bobby. It doesn’t exist, anymore. If you’re that kind of liberal, welcome to the Conservative
        movement, my friend. It’s the only place you’ll fit in.

        • Naval Lint

          NICELY written!

  • Michael Paul

    Liberals are a joke without being funny. The minority of one atheist can shut down the meetings of 4 groups of religious people is something that should not be allowed to stand. Let the atheist find a group of his own that loves the devil and let them meet when they want to. The homeowners association never read the Constitution where we are given freedom of religion not removal of religion if we want to practice our religion.

    • Prester James

      Okay, we have all stated our case. Now, what are we going to do about it?

  • jim whittaker

    I will ask our sunday school class to pray for them.We do not need another madolyn o<harea to intervin.

    • Jackalyn Morrison

      Amen and you are so right and they do need our prayers

    • Rick

      Madelyn O’hare met a very gruesome end, but because of her two innocents were butchered with her on her ranch west of San Antonio Texas. She was a very offensive, vulgar and totally nasty individual to have garnered the attention that she recieved thru her atheism and activities. Her lifestyle justified her gruesome end but not soon enough.

      • sandraleesmith46

        Not so innocent; they were part of her organization. I was watching an interview with her surviving son just a few days ago, talking about all of it; the son converted to Christianity as a young adult.

        • Rick

          Very true about the surviving son, he lived thru Hades in his mothers house because she was a totally nasty person in ways that can’t be put down here. I live not far from San Antonio and was of the understanding that her young granddaughter had nothing to do with O’Hare’s organization, that she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time during O’Hare’s abduction as was her father. Because Madelyn was so dispicable during her life I never paid any attention to any follow ups after her death other than what was in the news and papers at that time. Thanks for your reply.

          • sandraleesmith46

            To be honest, I had thought the son and granddaughter were just in the wrong place at the wrong time as well; but not after listening to the son who converted, on a show recently, with D James Kennedy ministries. He was very forthright about all of it. Evidently, they were picking up the reins of the “business” she built out of that lawsuit back in the early ’60s, when they were kidnapped.

          • Rick

            It is beyond repulsive what that woman put her son thru while he was living in her house. I think that I’m going to look up an interview of him to get his full story, maybe YouTube will have it.

          • sandraleesmith46

            It’s on D James Kennedy Ministries; they have a Roku online streaming app. It’s among the 2017 videos of lessons; but I don’t recall which one. I was streaming them back to back on Sunday.

      • Derek

        I was just a child when she was acting a fool and I can remember that ole gal like yesterday she struck fear into me really bad. I can honestly say she was rotten to the core till this day when her name is mentioned or a tv show comes on about her my skin still crawls? I say what happened to her was poetic justice And if I’m not badly mistaken it was one of her fellow atheist that iced her?
        Well we reap what we sow I guess?

        • Rick

          You are correct by what you say Derek, she was one very nasty and evil person. It was her own evilness that did her in at the hands of two of her fellow atheist, call it poetic justice.

    • sandraleesmith46

      No, they don’t, but she was the one who stopped prayer and Bible studies in schools. These want to do so in their own community. And it may, at this point, require legal intervention to be allowed to act as the Constitution says they may act.

      • Sally Koller

        That was only the beginning of the communist left’s destruction of our schools . They also started site reading which creates functional illiterates ( phonics creates literate people) and now common core which creates unpatriotic Americans.

        • Sandy129

          I think phonics should be required. I remember we learned phonics to begin to read and I don’t know anyone that had a problem. With the phonics it helped to learn how to put the differing sounds together. The English language has its peculiarities like the different ways “ough” is pronounced so many ways.

          • Wumingren

            English is not as easy to learn as one might think. The language is the result of many languages being smooshed together. Asians who study English as a second language are really learning bits of French, German, English, and other European languages all rolled into one, with all its rules and exceptions to rules.

          • Sally Koller

            My first grade teacher who taught us great phonics even had ways for us to learn the unphonetic words . I wish she had written a book from her lesson plans.

          • Sandy129

            She sounds like an excellent teacher. We need more like her!

          • Sally Koller

            She really was great. I wish we had more like her!

          • Sandy129

            Me too. She and others like her are badly needed. Our kids just don’t get the quality education we received.

        • sandraleesmith46

          I know; fortunately I graduated before the worst of it hit! My youngest sibling got caught in that sight recognition reading; and it was a disaster!

          • Sally Koller

            It sure is . I read that sight reading is the cause of dyslexia and ADHD . That’s not a surprise when children are forced to memorize words as if they were pictures like hieroglyphics instead of using the phonetic sounds of the alphabet . That’s why children taught this awful way confuse saw with was for one example. I learned phonics and have been reading lots of books since first grade and my sister, taught with sight reading , reads an occasional magazine.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No; I don’t believe there’s any connection between sight reading and either dyslexia or ADHD; both were around before it became “fashionable”. It probably didn’t help either group any, but it’s not the cause. Although, I wouldn’t be surprised to see blame set there for one or both. Most of ADHD is kids needing to be KIDS, really.

          • Sally Koller

            I know there are genetic markers in the DNA which can diagnose ADHD. I’m not sure about dyslexia. I still believe sight reading makes those problems worse. Your right about letting kids be kids. The amount of homework my two grandchildren have been receiving since kindergarten is appalling and it gets worse every year. They are just finishing the fourth and sixth grade , thank God. They can be care free kids in the Summer for a couple of months. My daughter never had homework until High School!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Really? I had homework from Kindergarten on, except the first and last days of the school year. I’ve never heard about any genetic markers for ADHD; it’s a behavioral thing mostly. Dyslexia yes; for that. The brain skews the signals.

          • Sally Koller

            There is a genetic marker for as ADHD, I have a family member who was tested and had it. I’m 59 and I never had much homework until High school , maybe a little in Junior high. My daughter is 31, I think she had a small amount of homework in middle school too but a lot more in high school. My sister was told that even though her daughter had the genetic marker some cases of ADHD develop without it.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I go back a mite further; I’m 70; and we had homework all the time; but I remember seeing kids your daughter’s age leaving school often without a single book. I don’t know but it there is that much marker, I don’t think it was blooming much before the ’70s; an occasional kid, maybe. Today it seems every other kid is being medicated for it.

          • Sally Koller

            My sister never medicated my niece. Behavior modification helped her. The book I read about the evils of sight reading said that in 1940 before sight reading the functional illiteracy rate was 4%. Today it is 55%. What state did you go to school in that gave you so much homework? I was an Air Force brat so I went to school in six different states.

          • sandraleesmith46

            NY; but part of the problem was that we were on 1/2 days much of the time because of being a “first string” baby boomer and schools hadn’t been prepared for the influx of so many kids all at once.

          • Sally Koller

            Most of the states my Dad was stationed in were in the southwest and the west. Do you remember how great it was to play with all the other kids outside all the time? Not like that now. We live in Pennsylvania now.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Sure; we used to ride our bikes to the local state park a mile from home in a bunch and play there too, not just in our own neighborhood. We’d even ride the town bus into the nearby town to see a movie together, all without parents along. It’s a wonder we survived childhood…. no bike helmets, or knee pads, almost no vaccinations, trees to climb and fall out of, roller skates on sidewalks… Dangerous times we lived in!

          • Sally Koller

            Lol ! Your childhood sounds great Sandra! Mine was too. I have five siblings so even though we moved a lot we always had a play group. Every Air Force brat knows how to make new kids feel welcome and we make new friends fast. The only really bad part was when our friends had to move or we had to move and leave our friends. Thanks to Facebook I’ve found many old friends!

          • sandraleesmith46

            It had it’s dark side too. I had 4 siblings; probably would have had more but there were times when Dad was barely home (airline pilot on a puddle jumper schedule), and they got a later start than most back then, what with the Navy objecting to its females marrying back then. Dad stayed active reserves ’til 56, but some fool wanted to put him behind a desk with his 4th stripe. That broke up that “relationship” fast.

          • Sally Koller

            I’m sorry about that Sandra! My Dad was a navigator of B 52’s . They flew at Mach 2, twice the speed of sound. We moved to Grand Forks AFB in North Dakota in 1965. My Dad climbed into the moving van to look for one of our table legs . When he came out he fell and slipped on the ice. He hit his head and was unconscious for a few seconds. The Air Force gave him an EEG and found an abnormal brain wave . They grounded him and he had to take desk jobs for the rest of his career. He didn’t like that but he didn’t retire until 1978 and that’s when we moved to Pennsylvania . My husband was from here so I’m glad we did. The only good thing about my Dad being grounded was that it probably kept him out of Vietnam!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, Jimmy Stewart flew those later in his career too. I’m acquainted with them. Yes, it most likely did keep him out of Vietnam, because the B 52s were used for a lot of the “carpet bombing” over there, especially in the later ’60s. Dad was flying with TWA already, and got his 4th stripe with a cockpit there; he flew ’til mid ’75, his 60th birthday; and was grounded then in retirement, per FAA regs. One thing about most pilots; it’s the FLYING they love. Thank your Dad, if he’s still with you, for his service, especially tomorrow.

          • Sally Koller

            He’s not still with us, he died in 2008 but I’ll tell my Mom who is 88 , and God Bless You for thanking him ! I’m sure your Dad is a great man too!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Thank-you; my Dad died in ’90. He’d be 102 if still alive, come June this year.

          • Sally Koller

            You’re welcome. My Dad would be 86 in August if he was still alive . My Mom is older than my Dad was.

          • sandraleesmith46

            That happens. It’s okay. Your Dad probably missed Korea too. He was an “in between” kind of.

          • Sally Koller

            No, my Dad did go to Korea as an NCO. After he got home the Air Force paid for him to go to college so he could be an officer. When he graduated he wanted to be a pilot like your Dad, but he was something like 6 days to old for the pilot program so he became a navigator.

          • sandraleesmith46

            My Dad was foresighted enough to see we weren’t going to evade WW II, a couple of years after he’d graduated from college, so he enlisted in the Navy; and they wanted to send him to OCS, to which he agreed, if they’d send him through Pensacola; so he got his flight training and flew as a pilot from ’39-’75. His trainer was a bi-wing, open cockpit, spit and baling wire model

          • Sally Koller

            Wow he flew a long time ! I bet he really enjoyed it! Those early planes did look pretty scary . It’s amazing how quickly they improved. That’s American exceptionalism at work !

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, he did; his Mom named him right: Orville (that was the Wright brother who actually flew at Kittyhawk). You’re welcome. Hope you had a good night. I packed it in early because i needed to be up extra early this morning. I’ve enjoyed our conversation too. God bless.

          • Sally Koller

            God Bless You too..

          • tammy

            I was reading the comments on here. I enjoyed you and Sandra’s civil, kind and loving conversation. It is a rare thing to read positive remarks. Thank you both. We need more people like you 🙂

          • Sally Koller

            Thank you Tammy!

  • J.B. Young

    I find atheists offensive. The atheist should be kicked out of the community.

    • Karin Isbell

      Not only out of the community but out of this country, which was founded on Christian principles. Let those atheists join the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and Karl Marx.

      • Sally Koller

        Amen!

        • Prester James

          Please re-think, We are commanded as Christians to reach out to those who do not know–and who even oppose–Christ. If our objective is to shut them all up, or throw them all out, how is that helping them find the Truth? If they are to gain access to Christ, we must give them access to us–because we’re the ones who carry His Message. The answer–as appeali8ng as it may seem, is not to be offended by their message, it is to grow in our ability to express ours.

          • Sally Koller

            If they listen to the Word of God I tell them.

      • Super90

        That’s complete nonsense and right-wing propaganda. America was founded on Enlightenment principals. Here, learn a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment

        • tammy

          You have been deceived by the left propaganda. The founding fathers left Europe to have freedom of religion and to get out from under the tyrants who were running Europe. All of our documents were written using Christian doctrine. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge understands the concept of people in that era using religion in every facet of their lives, including their laws

          • Super90

            You are half right. The puritans, etc. left England to practice their religion freely in the Americas. The issue they were having in England was that King George was the head of the Church of England. The puritans were in effect being oppressed by a different religion where the head of it was also the king. They couldn’t win!

            When Madison was writing the bill of rights, they that experience to heart, thus, the first part of the first amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

            Meaning, the idea that NO religion should be dominant over any other religion. Christianity is NOT the religion of America because that’s what the founding fathers wanted. As Thomas Jefferson wrote:

            “[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

            But to make the argument that “All of our documents were written using Christian doctrine.” is nonsense. the common morality of the day was a Judeo-Christian one, due to all of its leading thinkers being raised in a Christian society, but to say that Enlightenment thinkers were strictly Christian in their thought and that all their documents were somehow Christian is not at all factual.

            Anyway, the founding fathers were for the most part Deists. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=312

          • davidnrobyn

            You’re right insofar as that goes, but it took a Biblical worldview in the first place to allow people the freedom to think such thoughts as “all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion”. This could never have happened in a vacuum, nor under any other thought-regime either of that day nor of the present. The growing intolerance of those who purport to set themselves and us free from religion is graphic evidence of this. As usual, man is so fallen, corrupt, and depraved that he uses what is good (freedom) as a means of evil (repression). But that’s the nature of the free will that the Creator gave us.

          • Prester James

            !. You said nothing that really argued with anyone, except to minimize the history you were reporting.

            2. No one said, “strictly Christian.” about the “enlightenment,” just that it could not have existed without the Protestant Reformation paving the way for it,. which is true.

            3. That the Founders were mostly Deists is a Liberal fiction. Most of them were
            Christians, as their actual diaries demonstrate.

          • tammy

            There were only a few Deists. Many of the founding fathers were ministers or priests. I believe there was one Jew. The Christian religion came out of the Jewish estate. Jesus was a Jew. Our morality is very similar and many of our beliefs come from Jewish history. Our founding documents were made with the Bibles influence. That is why our Constitution has carried us to be the most powerful and advanced country in the world. Following the Christian/Jewish morality has helped us prosper and grow. The Constitution does not keep religion out of government, it keeps government out of religion. Our government can not make a religion of the United States and force people to practice it. Our Constitution is protection for the people against the government. It keeps the government in there place. Unfortunately, our Constitution is being cannibalized and interpreted by people who have an agenda. They have twisted some very important and precious parts of our Constitution. The Bible says it will be the judges who bring us down and they are doing a good job. The judges are no longer pushing law, but judging from their own personal agenda.

          • Naval Lint

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
            “Meaning, the idea that NO religion should be dominant over any other religion.”
            Your interpretation is erroneous. The statement stands on it’s own merit. OUR GOVERNMENT cannot FORCE anyone to EMBRACE any particular religion, nor any religion whatsoever!. The dominance, or the lack thereof, is of NO CONSEQUENCE in the law.

          • Prester James

            I guess half a quote is better than none, but it’s still only half. The rest of it goes, “or impede the free exercise hereof.” That’s “free exercise,” not “free personal belief” or “free confinement to church services” or “free exclusion from the public square and the marketplace of discourse.” It’s “free exercise.”

            There are history and law, and then there’s ideological revisionism.

            You are right when you say the government cannot force anyone to embrace a particular religion–bu neither can not force anyone not to do, or prevent anyone from promoting his religion in the marketplace of ideas.

            You are almost right when you say that dominance is of no consequence in the law: many sorts of law recognize community standards as a measure. But, in general, I agree with you. The fact, though, is that our nation, founded in Christ and in thge high moral and ethical standards of His Faith, is (still) the most attractive and successful nation in the history of the planet, and has only grown less attractive and successful as we have departed from those standards..

            Reminding each other of this is not a matter for the law, but for the marketplace of ideas–interaction within which is protected by the law.
            And, by the way, the law protects our right to try to change the law

            to once again reflect those standards in areas where it has become corrupted away from them.

        • davidnrobyn

          Wait, you’re both right! Yes, the founders did derive much of their ideology from the Enlightenment writers, but those, and they, were greatly–GREATLY–influenced by the general Christian consensus extant at the time. I find reading Paine, for instance, very interesting and stimulating–almost intoxicating, if it weren’t for my constantly “fact-checking” him against the Biblical worldview of fallen man and a fallen world (which are both wonderful but not what they were originally intended to be). I would go so far as to say that the Enlightenment would not have been possible at all unless the groundwork had first been laid by a Biblical understanding of man, God, and the universe. The Enlightenment needed the Reformation to happen first. And it did. That’s the grist for a very lengthy discussion for another day…

        • Prester James

          Super, America was founded in 1776 by a movement that began with the English Nonconformists (Christians who didn’t agree with Canterbury) movement of the 1600’s. Our first “Constitution” was the Mayflower Compact,
          most of which was rolled into the United States Constitution. It’s why the
          Free EXERCISE of religion is Constitutionally protected.

          The “enlightenment” had barely gotten started when our Constitution was written. Most of its signers were practicing Christians, and the ones who weren’t had Christianity as the moral base from which to form their consciences.

          Don’t teach what you don’t, or what some guy with a word processor writing on an open-source doesn’t, know.

        • Prester James

          America was founded by,and her first “Constitution” (the Mayflower Compact) was written by,English Nonconformist Protestants. These were followed in short order by the English Roman Catholics who
          founded Maryland,whose system of laws was very similar and served as a foundation for both the Constitutions and the Declaration of Independence. .

          The favorite (and only) examples the Left advances are Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. Neither was an atheist. Both were Deists. And, far from being hostile to Christian epistemology and morality, both embraced and endorsed it.

          By an overwhelming margin, the Founders were church-going Protestant believers.

          As for the “Enlightenment,” it has certainly borne bad spiritual fruit, but that’s because many academics (always beguiled by shiny new things regardless of value) look mainly back to Hume, Mill, Bentham,
          Nietzsche and De Sade.

          Of these, many ignore he fact that the most influential among these, Hegel, was a churchgoing man who continually (if wrongly) insisted that his philosophy was consistent with the Faith.

          The Left often overlooks the fact that Charles Darwin repented of
          his theory and lamented the fact that it had become the fundamental atheist ontology. They further overlook the fact that Rene Descartes,
          often called he “father of modern science,” was a Christian, as was, later, the existentialist Soren Kierkegaard.

          The incessant drumbeat of the Left that America’s founders were not
          Christians, and that we are, thus, not a Christian nation, gains no credibility from its ubiquity or by the awards it gives those who adhere to ti. The Enlightenment could not have happened without the. Reformation, of which it–and the subsequent American experiment–were a product.

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          • Keith Amherst

            You asked what I am doing about the problem. To start, I tend to not do business with someone that I don’t agree with. If I converse with them and see that they are unwilling to accept or at least aknowledge my views as relevent or demand that I accept theirs I no longer have anything to do with them. I can’t get rid of all of them at once but I can disregard and discard them one at a time. Works for me and if it doesn’t for you then reread my response. Have a nice day.

          • Prester James

            Actually, I posed the question broadly, to the discussion thread. In this cyber-universe we increasingly inhabit, we (I include myself) tend to lose sight of the fact that there’s a real world out there where the things of which we approve and disapprove happen. We can encourage, exhort or debate here on the Net, and that is valuable because the Net is our principal means of communication. If we, however, have a particular cause, or–like yourself–are simply looking to expand the free exchange of ideas–where the rubber meets the road is not in cyberspace but in real time. So, my question solicited answers as to the various real-time solutions discussants on the thread are employing. Yours appear very sound.

  • Sgt. York

    Time we SRs rise up and gang whip these haters of all we stand for.

    • Anthony

      give them a blanket party

      • Sgt. York

        With a soc and a bar of soap

        • Derek

          A master lock works much better

          • Lt Col Mark Mayerstein

            Shame on you folks. I agree that this atheist had no right to do what he did, but what did Jesus say about someone hitting you on one cheek? He said to turn the other also. Our charter as Christians is not to give someone a blanket party because we do not agree with their aggression. Jesus said from the Cross, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” Atheists are spiritually ignorant people who need our love and the love of Jesus. They need Christians who really live a Christian life and don’t just check off church on Sunday as merely one more activity that week. Sgt York, Anthony, Derek and the rest of you, if you went to church last Sunday did you study what the Pastor said and then try to apply it to your life that week and hopefully every week that follows? I guarantee that any real Christian Pastor would never condone the kind of shameful rhetoric I read above this reply. Please ask God to forgive your wayward step, and pray for those who hate us. Remember, Jesus warned us that the world would hate us, but they hated Him first.

          • Super90

            Amen!

          • tammy

            People are just venting their frustration. Everywhere you look these days, Christians are losing their rights. The globalists are pushing for the new world order. One gov and one religion. If we do not stand up and fight back, Christianity is on the way to be outlawed. If you want Sharia law, join the globalists. Jesus also said to sharpen your plow shares to use as weapons against our enemies. But most of these people are just talk. They would not do anything, they are just being flip.

  • slk5

    i’m offended by ignorant anti christian residents, who most of the time i don’t see, but i just don’t like what they think!!!

  • GymS

    Typical commie liberals. They do as they please but should you do something they don’t care for, you’re behavior is criminal. Thank GOD (the left hates that) the SCOTUS will shoot down all this liberal nonsense. MAGA!

    • Mary Brotherton

      I am hoping and praying President Trump will be able to install at least one more SC Justice. If he can do that there will be enough votes to stop the liberals from ruining everything that is good in America. I am so tired of the liberals. President Trump has a lot more to do than just drain the swamp in DC – the swamp creatures have taken over our justice system as well as our legal system. Nearly every court in the country is another swamp to drain and so is congress. The job is huge – I hope he can get it done in four years in spite of all the resistance he is faced with. We must support him in every way we can.

      • sandraleesmith46

        One way you can do that is get involved in gov’t at your local level and make your opinions heard. Go to city council or county supervisors’ meetings; they’re governed by open meeting laws which means for voting sessions you should have a public comment period before they vote on an issue.

      • Sandy129

        If he can’t get his nominee approved, he always has the recess appointment tool.

      • Lt Col Mark Mayerstein

        Only four years for President Trump? I for one would love to see, and expect, eight full years of his incredible leadership. By the way, Ruth Bader Ginsburg actually died 5 years ago–she just hasn’t realized it yet.

  • WilliamHarrington

    Maybe they should countersue against the atheist for violating their 1st amendment right to practice ther religion.

    • Sally Koller

      I think that’s exactly what they should do. I also believe if it was any religion other than Christianity they would never have said a word .

      • Sandy129

        Exactly it Sally.

        • Sally Koller

          Thanks Sandy!

      • davidnrobyn

        People can smell the truth, and it’s a stench to some. “For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing, to one a fragrance from death to death, to the other a fragrance from life to life.”
        To some the truth smells like roses, to others like dead meat. That’s just the way it is.

        • Sally Koller

          Thank God we are blessed by God and know the truth davidnrobyn

          • davidnrobyn

            You’re so right, Sally. It’s not to our own credit that the truth smells like roses to us. This is a very mysterious thing. Like Paul said, “Who is sufficient for such things?” In other words, these are such deep waters that no one can really understand them. God does the choosing, and not based on our merit or any goodness of our own. Blessings to you.

          • Sally Koller

            You are completely correct of course my dear. Blessings to you also.

  • gunnygil

    You can rest assured that the protesters are all democrat communist one world orderites bent on slavery of the world to the order

  • Philomena

    Pray that the Atheists make a pilgrimage to Lourdes France and surely they will be converted and will become believers.

    • Patriot2theCore

      Lourdes or Fatima maybe? Idk I’m not catholic.

  • Carol Henry

    ATHEISTS GO TO IRAN, WHERE YOU BELONG. DON’T FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON US! CHRISTIANS ARE SICK OF YOU!! WE HAVE OUR BELIEFS TOO!!

    • David Estes

      They wouldn’t last there because they would have to become Muslims and if not, they would be slaves or killed.

  • Star Wright

    We need to pray…an ask Jesus.
    To led those that are against, the Christian groups.In to a saved relationship with Jesus.
    Amen

  • Ed Roberts

    One rotten Apple stopped these retired folks from attending church it’s not just in Calif when we get over run by Muslins they will try to stop everybody sick.

  • Lee J

    The only good about atheists is that when they close their eyes for the final time, they’ll find out just
    how wrong they were.

  • What is this world coming to?… ONE atheist can do this?? Why don’t that fool go to the mosques around the country and try that. Make a crusade out of his belief. See how long he lasts!!…He can’t worship Satan without believing in GOD so he must believe in aliens or evolution. I for one don’t see how the HOA went along with this…

    • Sandy129

      I have wondered about that and came to think that atheists are their own gods believing they are in total control of life and expecting none afterwards.

  • Roy Veteto

    if it wasn’t for complaining and filing frivolous law suits then you would never hear of atheists

  • disqus_BAvz0LV7zw

    The most blatant violation is prohibiting the Seniors their First Amendment Rights. That right to worship must be upheld by court. If not the Court has a problem, and deemed the violator of the rights of the citizens. Impeach the judge!

  • The Capatin

    They don’t have anything better to do but to mind everyone else’s business. (It is what the Left does best).

  • David Estes

    It was a minority of 4 atheist that took all Christian symbol our of the government and schools.

  • Ezra

    Alt-left liberals are always mad about someone else exercising freedom. I do not think I have ever run across a happy and content liberal.

    • sandraleesmith46

      They make those??? I didn’t think they made such a critter!

      • Derek

        Not no more but they use to. It was called the dodo bird I believe?

  • rev_dave

    I’m surprised the atheist hasn’t had an accident of some kind. You know, like a small fire that is an ‘act of (no) God’. Just sayin’.

    • Ron Smith

      Probably, no one even knows who it is. He will not make it known to the other residents since he is a coward. He hides behind behind the cover of the HMO.

      • rev_dave

        Doesn’t a plaintiff’s name appear in the filing of lawsuits?

  • John

    In the twilight years these people of faith should be allowed to exercise their rights and find comfort and fellowship as they see fit. As far as the squeaky wheel goes ,whether or not he was a member of the community this is a shared space , make a schedule and he can worship the devil or create lists of things he hates, either way Oscar the Grouch shouldn’t be able to rain on the majority’s parade.

  • Francisco Machado

    Unless Atheism is an ideology, which would seem to be an oxymoron, What difference could it make to them what other people believe? It would seem even if they’re convinced the church group is delusional, so what? My understanding is the group to which the Atheists object is not rioting, preventing other groups from meeting, taking over buildings or anything else illegal. If they are an ideology, they are free to get together and worship the non-existence of whatever they believe doesn’t exist. This isn’t the believe it or die Middle Ages, after all.

  • This is clearly a matter of violation of the First Amendment.

  • Murphmeister

    Oh, God. Now that will get me into trouble.

  • BornAgainSouthernPride

    Atheists are the second most offended group, right after sexual deviants.

  • Linda Lee

    This is another terrible case of ONE PERSON TRYING to hold sway over a group who is doing no one harm. Intimidation and oppression is against the law in this country.

    • NymRod

      Democrats doing what they do best.

  • crh

    Some people need to get a life, these bible studies were not hurting anyone.

  • Jim

    A Civil rights suit should be filed against the H.O.A. and personally against the persons that took an active part in depriving the Senior’s from the Clubhouse meeting place. They were also in violation of the BY-LAWS of the Association.

  • Dondh

    This is getting ridiculous when one or two persons can get their way over a group of individuals who are merely doing something they all like! How is it that these imbeciles can get their way and take away some ones freedom of religion. There’s no doubt that our judicial system is corrupt because they are taught to uphold the Democratic liberal way of life and not judge according to the law! Those atheists are clearly overstepping their boundaries and must be stopped! If they don’t like it, they have the freedom to leave our country or else let groups like this alone!!

    • Susiev

      HOA Should have known better than allow it.

      • Dondh

        How right you are! But it probably will continue with the way judges and politicians are thinking today, looking out for their own benefit, not for the American people!

  • sandraleesmith46

    No one was dragged in and forced to listen or participate, I’m sure!

  • JWB

    This incident is , along with countless others, a perfect example of Bible Prophesy coming to fruition. These Christians and wonderful senior citizens ,I suspect are not the least bit surprised by this attempt to silence their beliefs and in no way will be intimidated by this demonic attack. It should not come as surprise,either, that they will offer Prayers for their very detractors. God Bless them in their pursuit for the Truth.
    Regards

  • NymRod

    Angry atheists are offensive, ban every single one of them.

  • john vieira

    It will never cease…INTOLERANCE is the NEW ORDER…wonder where THAT CAME from??? The mainstream media and a certain cult I venture are in the ‘forefront’….

  • James Higginbotham

    this nation will NOT LAST as long as this CRAP IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
    those damn COMMUNIST LIBTARDS THEMSELVES NEED SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD.
    id suggest a FACE TO FACE MEETING WITH GOD.

  • Lucinda Schaefer

    Wow what has become of us? The person who objects should not attend or better yet; feel free to move to a facility where he can find like-minded persons more to his liking. Some people hate to see others happy in the spirit of the Lord.

  • kassa1

    Tucker Carlson big this idiot into the ground like a tent stake. This guy like all communist or atheist, as they believe in no one but government being your God. They attacked the week in the people who can’t afford to fight them, The one thing I know is when they leave this earth and sometimes not that long God will take care of these people! In the meantime we need to ban to gather to get ready because the left is on a roll to destroy us, and the founding fathers knew this is why they written the second amendment to protect us from this Tierney and the sick people war very mentally ill and possessed with the devil.

  • Shelba Herring

    If only one person living at the home is objecting to the religious group meetings then the solution is simple invite that person to keep his/her mouth shut and not bother the group again with petty complaints or find some other place to live then everybody can be happy

  • NymRod

    Angry atheist are offensive, ban every single one of them.

  • Prester James

    It’s California. They really don’t have a shot. Next stop is he Ninth Circus, which
    will find against them on grounds they’re Christian and Christ is always offensive. then it’s on to the Supreme Court, where they will at least have a fair chance.
    Hopefully, the next step is back to court, where hopefully they will file, and win, a whopping big suit against the homeowners’ association for harassment, intimidation and violation of their First Amendment and civil rights. They need to personally name the atheist activist in the suit.
    This nonsense has to stop. The Left has been treating the courts as their private hunting preserve for decades, now, and it’s time we stopped letting them.

  • Derek

    Lmao I bet this old fart wouldn’t have said a word if it was islam study group. In fact he would probably bake them cookies and personally serve them to the retired jihadist. They should just throw the creep off the roof!

    • Sally Koller

      Exactly!

  • jesse

    These luciferian leftists are so appalling! The bible study groups just need to continue to stand their ground against these wicked people, put on the whole armor of God and smite these principalities and powers of darkness!!

  • Don’t call them liberals. they are left wing fascists.

  • Wayne The Seine

    Angry leftist? Just say leftist ….. we know they are angry, hurt, sad, crying, needful, broken, down trodden, victims.

  • LBC1689

    This is not just a liberal-conservative issue. Something far deeper is at issue here. Jesus teaches that those who hate Him in turn hate His people (John 15:18-25).

  • Jackson Brannon

    The idiot who hates religion needs to be taken to Montana and get body slammed then kickedout for being unconstitutional!!!

  • Louie Rey

    Wow, do you believe it? California’s courts actually did something right! As far as that atheist’s concerned, the definition of atheist is someone who doesn’t believe but in his case I think he’s not an atheist. He does, in fact, believe in something. He believes he’s an idiot and he’s right. Can I get an amen?

    • Sally Koller

      Amen Louie Rey!

      • Louie Rey

        I knew I could count on you! I’m just getting back to you now because my computer’s in my office and naturally I was closed for the weekend. Hope you had a good weekend and now we’re at it again with our constant battle with the morons of the Left. I’m ready.

        • Sally Koller

          Me too! I had a nice weekend too Louie.

          • Louie Rey

            Good for you and guess what? There’s another weekend here already! Oh how time flies.

          • Sally Koller

            Faster as we get older. Weekends are still great, they can’t come fast enough!

  • minefinder624

    Has anyone considered that this complainant might be suffering from early Altzheimer’s

  • 1mikejanz1

    Typical idiot atheist crybaby crap if I don’t like it no one else has the right to do it in my presence!
    All these elderly people wanted to do was worship the God of all creation and along comes some crybaby atheist whining because it offends his delicate sensibilities!
    Get a life crybaby losers and leave the old folks alone, it’s non of your business what they are doing!

  • Norn Saylor

    If it is informal, then why not have it in one of the homes instead? Then nobody can complain.

  • Sharon Chesher

    Every Christian, take notice…it was ONE atheist who took prayer out of our schools!! Fight back, get this atheist out of your community…lest your religious freedom be Squashed! We need to stand up against all this liberal b…s…! If we don’t, they will win again!

  • David VanBockel

    In a way, I admire the bible study group, because atheist/Satanic attacks would
    charge up my spirit!

  • Ray Saxe

    this is what it’s coming to all of America!

  • Kathie Stroder

    Atheists represent themselves as people who don’t believe in God. In truth they are people who believe in God and hate Him. This is why they are so hostile to people who love God. Everyone needs to stop catering to these people’s vicious hatefulness. Love will prevail. God is love!

  • Black Opal

    It’s a damn shame these people can’t even escape the revolting foulness of christianity even in their old age. Unfortunately, they do have the right to delude themselves as they please. What a waste of their dwindling time.

  • Scott Walker

    Desperation of church and state was meant to stop the government from taking over religion like happened in England with the Church of England. It was NEBER intended to be abused like it is now. Pray for these old folks to be allowed to worship in peace. The atheist need to just sit down and be quiet. This is clearly a violation of the old folks freedom OF religion rights. It’s not freedomFROM religion! Power Prayer is unstoppable!

  • DJT Supporter

    It is violation against US Constitution First Amendment…”Freedom of Religion”.

  • Prester James

    Okay, Keith. How are you working to bring that about?

  • Sally Koller

    God Bless You for your sacrifice Ken ! Good suggestions too!

  • Debra

    If the ‘offended’ one doesn’t like the services he isn’t FORCED to attend. He is denying the others their right to assemble, to worship….sounds like that asshat needs to find a new hobby.