New Scheme to Single Out Churches Opposed to Gay Marriage

(Joshua Gill, Daily Caller News Foundation) An online database launched Wednesday singles out churches opposed to homosexuality ostensibly to encourage clarity in whether various churches support LGBT lifestyles.

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The database, called Church Clarity, scores churches on whether they are “clear” or “unclear” in their message of being “affirming” or “non-affirming” toward LGBT relationships. Church Clarity takes aim specifically at evangelical churches and accuses them of having a dangerous “capitalist mindset” and of being purposefully unclear in their policies toward LGBT relationships .

The database’s website emphasizes the fact that churches are tax exempt organizations that receive public subsidies, and says that the perceived lack of clarity in church policy means “there is very little accountability to demonstrate that they are earning that subsidy.”

Church Clarity characterizes itself as “unequivocally inclusive, affirming and celebrating of all people,”  and says that it unapologetically allows people of any faith or gender identity to “participate at every level of Church Clarity’s mission.” The organization claims that it does not seek to force churches to conform to its stance toward LGBT relationships, but acknowledges a conflict of interest between its mission and its policy.

“We acknowledge that there is a potential tension between our policy-views and our organizational goal, but we also believe that remaining completely free of bias is impossible for any organization. We are comfortable with this tension and welcome feedback on how we can improve in this regard,” the website reads.

Further complicating the organization’s ostensibly bipartisan goals is the fact that, as Jonathan Merritt, a writer for Religion News Service, noted in his article on the database, the database is filled with mostly large conservative churches with well known pastors, and labels none of the included liberal churches as unclear.

The organization states that it seeks to pressure church leaders to clarify their church’s “actively enforced policy” concerning the participation of LGBT individuals, but is not interested in clarifying the theology, reasons, and possible nuances behind those policies. The organization poses an “Are you with us, or against us” style of question regarding policy despite acknowledging that the issue of a church’s stance toward LGBT persons and lifestyles is often fraught with nuance.

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“While we recognize the pastoral desire to discuss nuances of a particular theology, actively enforced policies are much more straightforward. They can and should be communicated explicitly from the start,” the website reads.

Church Clarity argues that a church’s policies should be communicated clearly and simply, without explaining the reasoning and theology behind said policies, so that LGBT people can know from the outset whether they will be allowed to participate in every level of the church community.

Self professed Gay Christian leaders, such as Bandon Robertson and Julie Rodgers, have praised Church Clarity’s initiative, according to Christian Today. Rodgers also serves as an adviser for Church Clarity’s database project.

Church Clarity’s initiative comes in the wake of the Nashville Statement– a 14 article document in which over 150 leaders of largely conservative churches clarified the church’s teachings on gender and sexuality. The Nashville statement was viewed and promoted as “a line in the sand” concerning the issues of homosexuality and transgenderism in the church. The statement and the database now respectively represent pushes from both parties of the church divide, conservative and liberal, for Christian leaders to clarify where they stand on the subject of LGBT lifestyles.

Merritt also noted in his article for RNS that while the Church Clarity database may bring about more clarity from church leaders, it also has the potential to widen the divide between Christians, given the organization’s eschewing of nuance, rather than cultivate understanding.

“In a time when the church is bitterly divided over sexual ethics and LGBT issues, it is, well, unclear, whether Church Clarity’s effort will create more division or less…we don’t want to further polarize the Christian community on an issue that is riddled with nuance.”

North Point Community Church, Hillsong Church, and Newspring Church did not respond to TheDCNF’s request for comment by the time of publication.

Republished with permission from the Daily Caller News Foundation via iCopyright license

  • William Wajert Sr

    Gay Christian Leaders = OXYMORON

    • larry harvey

      Gay Christian leaders are no oxymoron. Christ never said a word against gays. He said don’t judge others. The younger generation does not share the homophobia of their elders. In the future there will be more and more gay religious leaders.

      • Conservative3446

        No doubt there will be. God warned us that at a certain point he would have to bring the age of Grace to halt or no flesh would be saved, and day by day, it becomes ever more clear that we’re hurtling toward that end at about a hundred times the rate of speed we observed even ten years ago.

      • Conservative3446

        Christians are not passing judgment with the recognition and shunning of sin. Final judgment belongs to Jesus Christ, The Lord, and any Christian is cognizant of the fact that salvation through TRUE repentance is possible right up to the moment you draw your last breath in this life.

        But His Word also tells us we’ll recognize the TRULY repentant by their fruit and you, my friend, do not pass the smell test, so we’re also instructed to shake the dust from our feet and move on. No, we’d never assume the right or ability to pass final judgment, but the fruit you bear tells me clearly that your abominations will not be inflicted on me or mine.

        • larry harvey

          Con3446-I assure you I have no desire to make you as I am which is impossible. Somehow I am not worried about judgement. One must live as God made one. According to Christ love God and love thy neighbor that is the way to the Kingdom. You do not have to be heterosexual.

  • Fred_K

    All churches have the right to adhere to their beliefs. Homosexuals should be careful, or they may be sued for impeding the practice of freedom of religion. If they want to get married, go where the church allows them to get married, or to a Justice of the Peace. They have no right to interfere with the beliefs of a church, and the practice of their religion..

    • slk5

      why do gays want to be married, when there are more singles living together!!!

      • TexasCoyote1

        The same reason black people did “block busting” in the 60’s. The other people in the block didn’t want them as neighbors, but as soon as one family moved in the neighborhood soon became black.

        My point is gays aren’t happy being different. They won’t stop until they are considered mainstream which is why they want to marry, have adopted children and take over the neighborhood. They want acceptance. I, for one, will never get pulled into that jackpot, but our children are being taught gay is good, so they will be more accepting than I ever will.

        • slk5

          i remember block busting very well, not to mention busing also!!!

          • TexasCoyote1

            I don’t see this as being any different. If I am reading my Bible correctly, God does not approve of homosexuality. So, if that is true by extension a church that condones homosexuality is coloring outside the lines. A nation that allows this perversion to be glorified is equally an abomination and will be punished.

            There are just too many issues for President Trump to address at one time. This recognition of homosexuality can be dealt with as more conservative judges are appointed to the bench.

          • larry harvey

            Texas-Apparently your New Testament and mine must be two different books. In the Gospels of my book, Christ never said a word against gays. He said the way to the Kingdom was to LOVE God and to LOVE thy neighbor. He also said judge not lest ye be judged. Homophobic churches which spread HATE against gays represent the antithesis of what Jesus taught. Shame on them. Since every member sins, they reek of hypocrisy. They are the modern money changers of the temple. In the 1960’s bigotry and hate were directed against blacks who sought only equality; now they are leveled against gays who seek the same. But in the end, not withstanding Trump and his racism and his three phobias -homophobia, Islamophobia and xenophobia- freedom and equality will prevail.

          • TexasCoyote1

            Try this:

            Leviticus 18:22 ESV: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

            Romans 1:26-28 ESV: For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

            These are references from both the old and new testaments against homosexuality.

            I have no problem whatsoever with equality for black people. I think all people should have equal opportunity to education and jobs. What I see is preferential treatment for blacks and Hispanics in our current system. As for Muslims, their own Koran tells them to kill the infidel and the infidel is anyone who doesn’t worship Allah. I view them as an invading force whose only purpose is to kill me and destroy the culture in my country.

            There is no HATE involved in any of this. It is purely a matter of self-preservation. President Trump has been far more inclusive than I will ever be. To be successful my country needs to hold on to its western-european culture and way of life.

          • Conservative3446

            Excellent post.

          • TexasCoyote1

            Unfortunately, not everyone thinks so when it doesn’t fit their lifestyle.

          • remember alamo

            “All scripture is God breathed”

          • Carolann Enkhaus

            What it said is that a man should not lie down with his brother like he would with a wife nor a woman lie down with her sister like she would with her husband and to do so is an abomination

          • James Langham

            You would rather have blacks still living well beyond the railroad tracks in their shantytowns, having their own seperate drinking fountains and going to their own schools, as was the case in my Texas home town. That WAS back when America was REALLY GREAT. Right??

          • Fed up!

            Didn’t see any one state what you posted. No one said go back to separation. If you want to be heterosexual/ homosexual I really don’t give a 💩, but keep it behind closed doors and do not shove it on the public. That goes for any religion.

          • James Langham

            See the first paragraph of TexasCoyote1(posted 15hrs ago), bemoaning the fact that white neghborhoods were invaded by black’s during the 60”s.

          • larry harvey

            Fed U. If you don’t like gay parades, don’t attend them and if you don’t like gay hangouts, don’t go to them. When gays get their full rights and are no longer discriminated against, there will be no further reason for them to shake the bushes.

          • Fed up!

            Only gays get is the same as everyone else keep you sexually deviant in your one home, not the public. Screw you Opps wrong metafor you like that. STFU and keep your mental deviant life style to yours self

          • larry harvey

            Fed Up–Gay people, blacks and other oppressed minorities will shake the bushes, demonstrate and do whatever it takes (within the law) as long as it takes until they achieve the respect and equality entitled to all Americans, hate mongers and bigots notwithstanding..

          • Sabiya Hoffman

            Sorry, but gays comparing themselves to blacks is intellectual and pseudo-scientific nonsense. Blacks were ill-treated because of their darker pigmentation, which was outwardly visible (and it was inexcusable.) Homosexual/transgender issues have not yet been “played out” in the scientific community. Should we discriminate/hate against them? No. Does that mean we have to condone/celebrate it? Again, no.

        • Fed up!

          I give you a good exsample block busting Grosse Point Michigan
          One let in and the neighborhood is now destroyed, lived there in late 60’s as a kid. Remember Dad saying out of here, there goes the neighborhood. As a kid you never understood, drove thru while up there for a funeral and was discussed. But then the whole city of Detroit was discussing.
          Don’t get me started on those terrorist Muzzies have done to Dearborn.

          • TexasCoyote1

            But, if we white, conservatives even dare to think these thoughts we are branded racists and white supremacists. I was put in a 7-day timeout on the hill.com because I dared say something along the lines of our thread. President Trump is giving us all a new voice and hopefully most of us will get off the couch and go vote for Steve Bannon’s slate of candidates in 2018. We have to have new leadership if we are to expect greatness from our people and our culture.

          • Fed up!

            Where his list of candidates
            Would love to send each some money to their campaign
            If a million of us conservatives sent each 10 bucks, they have a personal war chest to get elected

          • TexasCoyote1

            He hasn’t published the list as yet, but he did back Judge Roy Moore in Alabama. The last interview I saw of Bannon he was going to target every Senator, except Ted Cruz, who is up for reelection in 2018. I think that’s about 30. He is going to target them in the primaries, so this will be very bloody. Let’s say he is successful with 20 of them and 15 get elected next November. That would go a long way to changing the balance of power in Washington and giving President Trump the support he needs to implement his agenda.

            I hope he also develops a list for Congress, but that’s a monumental task and may take several election cycles.

          • Fed up!

            Thanks
            Just wanted do a small part

          • TexasCoyote1

            Luther Strange outspent Judge Moore 10:1 in Alabama. So, it may not be the money as much as the message. We, the conservative voice of this nation, are ready to stand up and put into office candidates who share our conservatism. Regardless of party, regardless of race, creed or anything else, we must elect people who are dedicated to putting the communist ideology back into the bottle.

          • Fed up!

            Right with you !

          • Conservative3446

            Include me in.

          • larry harvey

            Texas please define the “communist ideology”? We will then know what you are talking about?

          • TexasCoyote1

            Communist ideology involves placing the good of the collective above the good of each individual. Obama used identity politics to divide all US citizens into groups as defined by race, religion or lack thereof, sexual orientation, and whatever other divisive mechanism he could come up with.

            Then, his policies pitted each group against another group. The issue of gay marriage and homosexuality pitted the gays against the Christians. He told blacks that whites had privileges they did not enjoy. He told small business owners that they did not build their businesses, but government did.

            Further, the communist ideology cannot function when citizens have property rights. So, those property rights are now under constant attack. The right to own and bear arms is also another favorite communists want to abolish because they can’t install their utopian ideas on an armed citizenry.

            Read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and you will get a much better grasp of all the things government must take control of to control the people. The 8 primary rules to communism to take control are listed below:

            1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.

            2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

            3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

            4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.

            5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).

            6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.

            7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.

            8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

          • James Langham

            Goose stepping right along with Nazi Bannon.

          • TexasCoyote1

            If that’s the way you feel, then you are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am. I’m a conservative, and I value Steve Bannon’s input on which candidates will advance the ideology I want advanced. As far as goose-stepping that would be you. Nazi’s were members of the National Socialist Workers Party. It’s all in the name.

          • James Langham

            Bannon is a white supremacist/Nazi supporter, so there you go. You’re not just a conservative. Racists “flock together like birds of a feather.”

          • TexasCoyote1

            Well, I want to associate with people who think like I do just as much as you do. You find nothing in common with me, and I feel it is your ideology which as brought this nation to the brink of destruction.

            Your definition of racist and white supremacist is ridiculous. I bear no ill will toward anyone of another race, but I don’t chose to glorify any other race or perverted gender identification either.

            I am willing to live and let live, but liberals seem to have a need to convert those of us who feel differently. I’m not a candidate for conversion.

          • larry harvey

            Texas–The difference between a racist (unhappily not all racists are white) and a non-racist is the former judge and act upon people because of the color of their skin while the latter do not.

          • TexasCoyote1

            You confirmed my point, so I guess we are done with this topic. I agree that nobody should be judged by the color of their skin. I work with a number of people who are black who are quite capable and I appreciate them for their abilities and who they are.

            But, I will not defend black criminals who happen to get shot and killed any more than I would have any sympathy much less outrage for a white criminal who was shot and killed under the same circumstances. I would applaud the policeman regardless of creed and color who made law-abiding citizens safer because of his actions. That point seems to be missed in most discussions.

          • larry harvey

            Texas -If you read the history books, you will find that in spite of the name, the Nazis were not socialists. In fact, they arrested and murdered thousands of socialists. The fascist state was known as the corporate state. Private industrialist thrived supplying Hitler’s legions.

          • kep

            Call them by their proper name. COMMUNIST

          • larry harvey

            I am glad someone on this board is not racist.

          • James Langham

            Thank you. Sorry to say, but realizing there are actually millions more of those “deplorables” and I would say “dispicables,” than Hillary could have imagined. Bigots, wrapping themselves in their flags and the covers of their bibles.

          • larry harvey

            Texas-When are you going to dust off your Nazi flag and old KKK white sheets? Trump is unleashing the dark, evil forces of hate, bigotry and intolerance. That is not what this country is about! Texas, based on your beliefs how can you not call yourself a white supremacist and racist?

          • TexasCoyote1

            Being conservative and wanting to preserve the culture that has made my country great in the past does not make me a radical. Based on today’s definition of racism, anyone who eats white rice is a racist–that card has been overplayed and has most definitely lost its sting. Everyone who doesn’t bow down and worship the black culture with all its flaws is deemed a racist. That is evidenced by the antics of the NFL players who are willing to destroy their own industry just to cram their culture down the throats of an unwilling white population. Boycotting the NFL is probably racist, too, but I have not watched a game since the first week of the season.

            I don’t accept the black culture as being equal much less superior. You have only to look at the countries in Africa to realize there are serious cultural deficiencies in how the black culture functions. With the thousands of miles of coastline around Africa, there has never been an oceangoing vessel built in Africa or launched from an African seaport. The citizens of these countries lack clean water and frequently suffer from famines even though Africa has vast resources.

      • slk5,
        In a secular stance, homosexual people have a right to do what ever they want to do. That is no one else’s concern. But homosexuality is a human behavior. There are some behaviors that the Bible doe not accept. Homosexuality is one that is not accepetd.

        • James Langham

          The bible is not the law of the land. NO THEOCRACY OF ANY KIND!

          • Where did I say the Bible was the law of the land? I merely stated what the Bible says about the difference between people and their behaviors. That is what Christians follow. As for the law of the land, Amendment one that the government shall not prohibit the free exercise of religion. That is a clear as can be said But I don’t think you got the message. Crosses have been issued for a very long time to distinguish the burial of not only individuals but many in cemeteries all over the world. It is a common designation of the presence of deceased people. They have been likely placed by atheists and non Christians in the past.

        • larry harvey

          Slk–One can interpret the Bible quite differently from the way you do or not believe in it at all.

          • Larry,

            First, let me say that I am a historian. I speak several languages besides English. That would be Spanish, Hebrew and Greek. While I do not speak Islam I do have a Quran and have had it for a very long time and have studied it from cover to cover. I Had a course in Middle East history in college.
            I have friends from Iran and have known and spent time with Pakistanis, Libyans, Koreans and Chinese. I think I can say that I do well with people anywhere anytime.

            Obviously I know the Biblical languages quite well. My Biblical statement was about the difference between people and human behavior. I do get along with everyone no matter where they are from. But humans and human behavior are two different views of humans. I am fine with the people but not necessarily all their behaviors. That is true of homosexual people. That is an issue that many people have problems with concerning the Bible. Homosexuality is a human behavior (and perhaps in the animal world as well). All of the people from foreign countries have behaviors that I may or may not agree with. Likely you do as well.

            That means I do not “dislike” people. I just do not accept all their behaviors.

      • James Langham

        I agree. Why would any self respecting gay person want to emulate straights in such a failed enterprise.

    • larry harvey

      Fred–How are gays impeding the practice of freedom of religion when they state their beliefs? They have a right to defend themselves when being demeaned by religious homophobes. You are right though when gays wish to marry, there are plenty of welcoming, enlightened churches more than happy to marry them and as you say there is always the justice of the peace or some other state official. They need have nothing to do with hateful, bigoted “churches” which reject Christ’s teaching to love thy neighbor, including thy gay neighbor, and not to judge him.

      • TexasCoyote1

        Leviticus 18:22 ESV: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

        Romans 1:26-28 ESV: For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

        For a Christian when the Bible says something is an abomination, we are instructed to wipe it out. God doesn’t approve of things that are abominations. Christians are not supposed to accept abominations. Therein lies the problem with glorifying or even accepting gays in general much less celebrating their marriages. Our instruction to wipe out abominations supersedes our instruction to love our neighbor.

        Obviously, you are not going to accept this interpretation even though I have given you both Old and New Testament passages that are very clear in my mind on the subject.

        • larry harvey

          Texas–Do you obey every admonition in Leviticus? Do you know, for instance any, Christian minister who eats only kosher food? Lev.18:22 is a cherry picked “sin” specially selected to justify hate and intolerance against gay people. Christians are suppose to follow Jesus’s teachings. Your statement about wiping out abominations being more important than love is directly contradicted in Matthew 22:35-40. See also Luke 10.25-28 which I discussed elsewhere. No where in the Gospels does Christ say a word against gays. I know my Bible, too. Somehow it reads very differently from yours. There are many churches and their number is increasing which openly welcome gays just as they are. Religious homophobia is just another form of hate, hardly the love and non-judgment taught by Jesus.

          • TexasCoyote1

            God said in the last days right would be wrong and wrong would be right. Churches are made of men who interpret the Bible in the way that makes the majority of their congregation feel good. It keeps the donations flowing more smoothly. Most churches are too scared of losing their tax exemption to take on any hard issues particularly ones that groups like yours are quick to label as hate.

            You are entitled to your beliefs and I am entitled to mine.

          • larry harvey

            Texas -For the first time since we have been exchanging messages, i agree with everything you just said.

  • Willie the 6’snake in the barn

    GAD SAYS the first and final word about marriage. PERIOD. HE instituted it and created it.
    Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. No COMPROMISE. You are pushing for the ultimate approval here on earth but that DON’T MATTER.
    Check out chruch clarity people what the BIBLE says about strange flesh unions NOT a church website, whether it conforms to the demented LIFESTYLE choices you all are trying to force on people attempting to live a life HOLY and according to what GOD says and not what man deems right in his own eyes.
    Signed,
    ex atheiest and one who ALMOST got caught up
    in that LIFESTYLE..

    • kitten

      Thank God for salvation!

    • larry harvey

      Willie- God created all humans, that includes Adam and Steve as well as Adam and Eve. He must have had his reasons for creating Adam and Steve. In any case Adam and Steve have the right to live their lives as they will as long as they don’t interfere with the rights of others. If it doesn’t fit with your particular interpretation of your bible, that is just too bad! You cannot force your narrowness on them.

  • MILES E DRAKE

    This should disabuse anyone who still doubts that the coalition of satanists, socialists and sodomites now in charge of our culture and trying desperately for permanent control of our political institutions intend to marginalize, criminalize and finally suppress Christianity and replace it with an established religion of secular humanism, gaian paganism and promiscuous communal polyamory. The current attack on the Second Amendment is in part intended to deprive citizens of the ability to protect themselves from the state, but it is also intended to take down the Amendment they really hate, the First, abrogation of which will permit the imposition of Orwellian thought control. The cultural marxists should be told in no uncertain terms: interference with the religious liberty of the people will bring a civil war just as surely as any serious attempt to disarm them.

    • kep

      They are COMMUNISTS. Liberals, progressives, socialists are all euphemisms for communist.

      • Conservative3446

        Whatever they are; whatever they call themselves is of no import. The Constitution of these United States of America says we have freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof. That means the true Christians ( real followers of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior) will NEVER support, promote, or accept as normal, any manner of deviancy or likewise hedonistic sexual unions. Nor will they attend any church that facilitates such filthy practices and most certainly would never allow their children to be exposed to the debauched indoctrination carried out in government run schools, or the godless fakes masquerading as Christian churches.

        • Fed up!

          Freedom, not shove your sexual beliefs and religion on others or the public. Keep it to yourself.

          • Vote for Truth

            YOU are not given the right to say what we should or should not say in public! That is what the 1st amendment gives us the right today as all Progressives constantly tell all of us what WE SHOULD believe and do. Sorry you have no right to do that either!

        • larry harvey

          Individuals must be free to live their lives the way they want and to believe or not to believe as they will, as long as they do not interfere with the rights of others. This applies equally to Christians and non-Christians. Learning to tolerate those who are different is what our country is all about. This is called diversity and it is essential to a democracy. Stifling conformity destroys both freedom and creativity.

    • larry harvey

      Drake–You are full of hate and nonsense. The right of other people to live lives differently from the way you do is not a is suppression of Christianity and no one seeks to destroy the Second amendment. Do not confuse confiscation with reasonable regulation to protect the public safety.

      • MILES E DRAKE

        If the issue is to allow gays to believe and live as they wish Christians to believe and live as they wish, why is it necessary for government agencies to monitor and classify the opinions of Christian churches with respect to homosexuality? In fact, anyone who says that they want “gun control” but not to interfere with the Second Amendment almost certainly does really want gun confiscation. After reading the other 2600 posts on this topic (how much does that bring in from Soros and Steyer?) I do not think I am full of hate and nonsense.

        • larry harvey

          Miles-Your second message raises valid issues. I agree it is not the role of government to concern itself with what Churches think, although some churches abuse their tax exemption privilege by becoming active in politics. Religious people can think whatever they want and no one should care. The problem only arises when individuals defy anti-discrimination laws, using religion as an excuse; also there is the risk of religion mixing in government. In both cases non-believers, gays and others who do not fit into the set pattern get hurt. As to gun control, I have yet to hear anyone advocating the blanket confiscation of weapons. After the many mass shootings such as the most recent in Las Vegas, it is not surprising for people to want to keep guns out of the hands of crazies and to limit very dangerous weapons. Reasonable regulation which is designed to protect public safety does not violate the second amendment.

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    I WONDER WHAT WILL THESE PEOPLE THINK OF NEXT TO DO?

    • mathis1689

      Whatever their father the devil suggests.

  • Joseph Miller

    This is an offshoot of the Human rights campaign group that extorts and blackmails companies into kowtowing to homosexuals! They , the homos, are trying the same thing with the churches- may God have mercy on their souls-for trying hard to corrupt His Holy word and lead HIs people astray!

    • larry harvey

      J.M.–You believe whatever you want but gays have the right to live as God made them. No company is being blackmailed. That is nonsense..Enlightened companies know that considering their stockholders, employees and customers, diversity is good for business and for the market place.

  • JWB

    Greetings!
    With perfect “clarity”, another online database, joining the ranks of countless others, has been “launched” in an effort to promote, condone and justify a Godless and blasphemous lifestyle. The Word of God and our LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ, leaves no doubt that this form of sexual immorality is an abomination and a sinful act, to be avoided.

    “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.”
    Leviticus 20:13

    “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:”
    Romans 1:26

    It cannot be any clearer!
    Regards

    • larry harvey

      JWB–How many other admonitions in Leviticus do you ignore? Do you eat pork or lobster? Have you ever worn a garment with more than one weave? There are many other such admonitions which are never mentioned. What we have here is cherry picking “sins”. Here is the real truth. In Luke 10:25-28 a lawyer ask Jesus how he could inherit eternal life.. Jesus said what do you think! The lawyer said one can get into the Kingdom by loving God and by loving one’s neighbor. Jesus responded that’s right. Those simple two acts will get one into heaven. Jesus did not require one to have a certain sexual orientation. (See also Matthew 22:35-40.) Those religious homophobes who spout hate against gay people ignore Christ’s mandate to love and not to judge and they are the one’s who should worry about getting into the Heaven.

      • JWB

        Greetings larry, I appreciate your input and time. “And the LORD spake…..” To ignore any portion of Scipture is to dismiss it’s entirety. We are all sinners, none of us is “complete”, adorning total righteousness, living up to the “standards” expressed in the Book of Truth. That does not mean our “goal”, for complete forgiveness and sanctification, should not receive our total commitment and devotion. Through Prayer and the conformation that our LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ, died on our behalf, for our sins, was resurrected, born again, and ascended,to prepare a place for us, to Heaven is our only hope for eternal salvation. I, personally, do not hate or judge anyone for their choices, made freely and I Pray for those individuals that have not received the Blessings and the Grace of our Heavenly Father. The promotion or condoning of a “lifestyle” that is obviously contrary to the teaching of the Gospels, I believe, should be avoided and surly not celebrated. I have known, and have a family member, whom have selected an “alternative” relationship and I assure You that they have received nothing less than my respect and more importantly my love and Prayers. Our “earthly” home has been filled with sin and many tribulations, practically since it’s conception, and when our Prayers are “answered” we will be with our LORD forever. Amen
        Best Regards.

  • Reflect

    The whole thing is the Devil wanting to destroy the church, the family, and all the REAL freedoms that God has given mankind….It is a Real War, of good vs. evil…..and good is losing until people return to the true teachings of the Bible…..All real Christians, need to pray ceaselessly… not only for the good of this country, but its Soul, and ours….

  • James A. Walker

    I notice that this left wing liberal organization does not include muslim mosks. Probably because it is a political group that is anti-Christian and anti-Jewish. This group does not protest muslim bakeries.

  • Diana Tome

    Marriage by homosexuals should not take place in any church. Civil ceremonies should be the way to go. This way you don’t offend peoples beliefs.

  • Spunky

    Clarity? Homosexual is a sin – Also your marriage is not recognized by the Lord. You can whine and talk and hold up all the posters you want – It will not change a thing.

    • larry harvey

      Gay marriage may not be recognized by YOUR hateful god. But to the loving God, it is a different story. (See my responses above on the Bible and gays.)

  • RunnerFriendly

    You can’t serve two masters. Saying you are living a life for God while exercising a life contrary to the will of God just doesn’t work. God has not changed his laws or requirements of us. People have! If Gay people think they have the power to change what God has established, they are in for the ultimate surprise. If Gay people want to go to church, they might want to learn more about the Word of God and truly practice a lifestyle pleasing to God. Or start their own church and respect those who hold the Word of God firmly by not making attempts to blemish what is sacred. Well, we are living in the end times and crazier things will happen.

    • larry harvey

      Gays established their own church long ago. It is called the Metropolitan Community Church and there are branches in many large cities in a number of countries. Other churches are welcoming and accepting of gays just as they are. We all sin, gays no more than any one else.

  • James Langham

    Religion is the Opiate of the masses.

    • Fed up!

      As a firm believer of the Ten Commandments and not a church person. I still respect someone’s right to worship as you put ” Opium of the masses”.
      You and I are entitled to are opinion, that your opinion and only your opinion. Why these homosexuals think they have a right to shove their lifestyle down on the public is a PIA.

      • James Langham

        But you believe, so called “christians” have the right to improse their beliefs, in the form of laws, on everyone.

  • The Sarge

    I don’t know if I’m confused, or if the lefties are muddled minded. It’s a rhetorical statement of course as I know the lefty mind is often muddled, emotional, and irrational, but my goodness they have the fire of any rabid fanatic.

    They espouse, nay, shout to the skies, and in your face, that they are “inclusive,” except of course
    when they aren’t, which is often. They can’t even express themselves coherently when challenged on the concept that nobody, no movement, can be truly “all inclusive.” It’s as irrational a notion as there is, except of course to the muddle minded. I don’t know how they live inside those minds, though I hope that the epiphany of rational thinking will one day illuminate their minds.

    So we have Church Clarity (ha!) self-described as “unequivocally inclusive, affirming and celebrating of all people,” and says that it unapologetically allows people of any faith or gender identity to “participate at every level of Church Clarity’s mission.” Pfffttt! What a load of bovine feces. They are clearly engaging in an intimidation campaign and their misguided and violent supporters will do the dirty work as they threaten and attempt to drive out of existence anyone or anything that does not conform to their way of thinking and believing. Yeah, real inclusive there.

    It reminds me of a certain faith that self-describes as a religion of “peace.” Most people don’t know the true meaning behind that label, and that is, that the peace they speak of means when there are no other faiths or ideologies to contend with, i.e., eradication of anything opposing it.

    • kate777

      You are absolutely correct, most people think of “peace” as how the World views peace, physical, not Spiritual. John 14: 27 gives the real definition of what real Peace is, “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you, not as the World giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” The peace Christ describes is intangible as to the World, but very much tangible when one who reaches out in need approaches our Maker. I may not say this well but those that do have Faith know of what I speak.

  • jcrawdad

    New Scheme to Single Out Churches Opposed to Gay Marriage

    WHY DOESN’T THE GAY’S BAN TOGETHER AND FORM THEIR OWN LITTLE RELIGIOUS GROUPIES , THEN THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN THING. THEN THEY CAN FORM CHAIN GANGS PLUGGED TOGETHER ,OR WHAT EVER THEY WANT

  • Jesse Hayes

    I’m going to be honest, and it will ruffled feathers on both sides. Going by old testament, homosexuality is a abomination. However, in the new testament, Jesus says NO ONE can adhere to the law of the old testament. He came so there could be forgiveness. So if the church is truly Christian, it should welcome them. But also let them know it is a sin and when the time comes, Good Will punish them for it. LGBT should accept this if they wish to be Christian instead of trying to change the belief so that it is accepted and not considered a sin.

  • John

    These churches who haven’t given in to social pressure answer to a higher calling. Old and New Testament speaks out against homosexuality, transexuality and cross dressing. Jesus even said talking about marriage “For this cause will s man leave his mother and father and they resin shall become one flesh.

    The 1st Amendment gives legal protection as well.

    If these churches were spiteful maybe they could form bible thumping brigades to protest gay wedding, bars etc.

  • brooksmd

    Just another way for the lib left/lgbqt (whatever) to gather a database of targets for their protests, aka, riots. Don’t help them by providing information.

  • Kenneth Jones

    My church’s stand on gay ‘marriage’ is crystal clear: We do not recognize such a ‘marriage,’ our clergy are strictly prohibited from performing any such rite for gay couples, and any clergyman who does will be immediately defrocked. Period.

    • larry harvey

      K.J.–Gays do not need or want your hateful church. There are plenty of other churches that will marry them or they can go to a civil official.

      • Kenneth Jones

        Suit yourself.

      • CommonSenseReborn

        Larry buddy, those kind of churches are called Cults, sounds like you either belong to one or you’re not going to any God-fearing Church.

        • larry harvey

          Common–Any church you don’t like is a “cult”. The churches I favor emphasis Christian love. The ones you favor emphasize hate and bigotry. Sorry but I’ll take mine over yours.

  • just care

    No Church has to answer these questions. Ridiculous

    • CommonSenseReborn

      Exactly

  • CommonSenseReborn

    The LBGTXYZ community has to keep shoving this down the throats of EVERYONE because they know that their behavior is, according to the Bible, “an ABOMINATION” and if they can force people to say it’s acceptable then in their minds that will justify their abhorrent behavior.
    Like any sin, REPENT and turn from your wicked ways while you still have the time. I say this in love, not hate. God wants to restore your relationship with Him and spend an eternity in His presence.

    • just care

      Exactly

    • larry harvey

      C.S.R.-You keep your religious beliefs and let gays keep theirs. There are plenty of enlightened loving churches that accept and welcome gays just as they are.

      • CommonSenseReborn

        Yes, we love the sinner but like any other sin, you have to teach the TRUTH and encourage them to repent of what God (not me) calls “an abomination “. If it’s truly a Christ centered church they don’t ACCEPT the sin and not address it as such.

        • larry harvey

          Common—The term “abomination” comes from Leviticus. It is only one of many admonitions quite a few of which are ignored even by the most ‘devout’. What we have here is the cherry picking of “sins”. I have already pointed out in repeated writings Christ message of love and non-judgment. Instead certain churches which should no better spout out hate and continually demean the GLBTQ community.

  • terrymengle

    There seems to be no end to the aggression of some gay organizations.

  • PNut67

    This just affirms what I have ven shouting from the rooftops, with no one paying any mind….the LGBT community is TOTALLY AGAINST Christianity & Churches that preach the word of Christ as authoritative. One lie I saw in this article is that churches recieve subsidies. Well…true, but yet, untrue. Churches received subsidies, but ONLY from their members in the firms of tithes & offerings…NOT GOVERNMENT ADSISTANCE, because THAT would meaning breaking down the wall of”separation of church & state” …a core principal this country was founded on….& yes, I believe there is a wall, although some will say there isn’t..and it is so, because the founding fathers decided, as they drafted this great nation of ours into existence, that it would not be a good thing to tell private citizens how to worship, as England was doing at the time. Therefore, they decided they could NOT tax churches. Its all there, open your history books people, & get educated for once.

  • therealworld

    Homosexuals have no right what so ever trying to dictate anything to the Pure at Heart. Push too hard and we will strip you of any rights you gained under Obama.

  • Raymond Miller

    There is no such thing as Gay Marriage. If you believe in the Bible and what it says then gay marriage is an oxymoron. Gays can pretend that they are married and ordained ministers may preform the ceremony, but it is a fantasy. I don’t blame the gays, they are welcome to play make believe, but the pastors who preform the ceremony are the ones who will reap what they are sewing when they face their maker.

    • larry harvey

      To two gay persons in love who wish to devote their lives together, their marriage is very real and all the religious homophobia in the world cannot change that.

      • Raymond Miller

        I must agree with you, my choice of words should have been different. I didn’t mean to be condescending nor bash the gays. Yes they are in love and that’s their right as human beings and I’m sure that they are as committed as any conventional married couple, I have several Gay friends and I respect them and their opinions, I believe that a couple of them have been “married” and it is their right to feel that it is real. I don’t discus the topic with them and they don’t bring it up. What bothers most of us is the Gays who have to stand up and wave a flag and holler look at me I’m Gay, you who, look at me, it’s all of you straight people who are wrong. We don’t appreciate that any more than we would to have someone keep telling us that our religion is wrong and we should join theirs. If you believe in the one and only God and the Bible, then to me it makes no difference what Religion you participate in.

        • larry harvey

          Ray–I forgot to tell you, not only am I gay but I have been living with my gay lover, Bob, for 48 years. Every day I thank God for bringing this wonderful person to share his life with me. We have been all over the world together and have shared life’s ups and downs. Neither could conceive of life without the other. Indeed there is a loving God because he has been very good to us.

          • Raymond Miller

            Larry,I am glad that you have a loving partner in your life. may you have many more years of life together.

  • Daniel Gray

    Sorry but there is NOTHING the Gays can do as the Constitution protects the Churches and if anything happens to the churches because of this, these idiots can be sued out of existence.

  • Mark

    May God bless evangelical churches who take a firm stand against same-sex-marriage

  • Rolpho Signetti

    So they want to clarify, or muddy the waters of people’s beliefs? Typical liberal/democratic strategy for the 40-50 years. Spin every arguement into a talking point to create a social agenda.
    These are anti-belief of any religion pieces of trash. They respect only one thing: immoral thoughts, and practices. I believe they have the right to believe as they see fit, but they are trying to disrupt basic rights of Christians.
    Well, you morons… people, kings, countries have been trying to to this for awhile… like well over 2000 years! So what make you little Bu tt jockeys think you are going to succeed?

    Oh you may win a small battle in this country… but in the end THE WORD OG GOD WILL PREVAIL!

    Do not take my word for it! Read it in the original version of google!

    It is called the BIBLE! Look into it’

  • Rev. Brian Here: It is a sin and LGBTQ people are not trying to repent and therefore live in a constant state of Sin

  • Gregg Parker

    The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ calls them sodomites and the book states that they have no place in the kingdom of heaven.. no inheritance. Neither do the effeminate. That’s just an inconvenient Christian fact. Muslims are authorized to kill them. Christians are authorized to show them the door and pray the door doesn’t hit them in the backside on their way out!

  • Roy Veteto

    bible believing christians should boycott any communities that are heterophobic . all states and cities count on revenue from tourists

  • DJT Supporter

    Beware! Almighty GOD is HOLY and He will NOT allow a sinner to enter into Paradise/Heaven; except, those who repent of their sins and follow God’s plan of salvation instruction. GOD will judge everyone each of us whether we are doing a good life or a bad life on this earth. Choose a good life! No one has the right to suppress the truth of God and His righteous church leaders and members. Leave God’s church alone. If anything you don’t agree with the church teaching, don’t step over their line. They have the right to protect their churches regardless. They stand on the truth of God.

  • Allen Cecelia Tennison

    It seems to me that this organization, or group is really being used to do the bidding of the political left. As a person who has been affliated with the independent Baptist Churches in America for over 40 years i don’t know of one that gets government aid or financical funds. I can’t speak for the Other religious organizations. This sounds a lot like a sneaky witch hunt to attack good churches.

  • Boomergirl

    People have settled into groups based on their beliefs inside and outside of religion for 5,000 years. What is sad when the two sides encounter each other is a lack of civility. Neither is going to change the other’s mind, and if they both are Christians, they each have the right to practice their religion as they interpret it. This organization trying to label each church as for or against the gay agenda is divisive, and I suggest that is the real motive behind them. Gays and transgenders are already protected in housing and employment, and like the Civil Rights movement of 60 years ago which changed the world, if all sides of this current issue treat one another with respect as all being God’s people, this too will resolve the rancor. Neither side should be able to dictate to the other.

    • CommonSenseReborn

      You obviously haven’t read the Bible… His TRUTH is truth… whether you believe it or not

  • Mad Scientist

    It was bound to come this. First it was leave them alone. Then it was “rights.” Then it was “marriage.” Once we let the nose of the camel under the tent it was only a matter of time before the homosexual lobby decided they wanted to show us what the rest of the camel looked like. And if the line in the sand is not drawn and adhered to here and now that is exactly what will happen and the 1st Amendment will be whatever the progressive left wants it to be.

  • Louie Rey

    Let me take a wold guess, liberals are behind this. And aren’t we supposed to have a separation between church and state? Maybe not when it comes to liberal agenda. Pathetic.

  • Black Opal

    That’s good news. Anything that polarizes the ignorant – that is, the religious – helps weaken and kill religion as a whole. That, of course, can only be a good thing. It’s very similar to forcing businesses to put up clearly visible signs explaining who they discriminate against, which is also an excellent idea. Regressive hatefulness should be clearly visible for all to see and object to.

  • Murphmeister

    Churches don’t get subsidies, just tax exemptions. Churches do not have to ” earn ” anything from government to get them. I wonder if inquiries are made of mosques because we al know what Islam thinks of gays. Swan dive anybody?

  • tstewart2

    It should be a handy guide for what churches to stay out of. Any church that believes the Bible to be the Spirit inspired Word of God will not support homosexual marriage.

  • larry harvey

    In Luke 10:25-28 a lawyer ask Jesus how he can get into the Kingdom. Jesus said what do you think! The lawyer said one can get into the Kingdom by loving God and by loving one’s neighbor. Jesus responded that’s right. Those simple two acts will get one into heaven. Jesus did not require one to have a certain sexual orientation. Those religious homophobes who spout hate against gay people, ignore Christ’s mandate to love and not to judge and they are the one’s who should worry about getting into the Kingdom.

  • larry harvey

    Having homosexual priests and parishioners is not wrong. Molesting young children is what is wrong. Although this evil practice must be wiped out, most priests do not engage in such activity and are decent people who love God.

    • Conservative3446

      Of course it isn’t wrong to have queer priests and parishioners. Just don’t call yourselves Christian because you’re far, far from Christ, The lord and Savior, and without big time repentance will one day pay a very big price for your abominable lifestyle.

  • Conservative3446

    Great post.

  • Build a burger

    The mosques getting a free pass on this?

  • Carolann Enkhaus

    There is no such thing as gay marriage…marriage is the union of 1 man and 1 woman!

  • larry harvey

    Hopeful- The passage you refer to where a man is attacked by 3 robbers (Luke10:29-37), I have read many times. What Jesus was saying in that passage is that one should love the oppressed. Certainly the GLBT community has been oppressed. No where does Jesus say anything against gays. There are many admonitions in the Bible such as: a slave should obey his master, an individual should not eat pork or certain sea food, couples should never divorce etc, etc. and these admonitions are often totally ignored. Too many “sins” are cherry picked. Evil can never exist without harm or the threat of harm. An act which is totally harmless and loving can never be a sin. God made all humans. That includes gays. Gays have a right to be the way God made them.